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		<title>By: allen</title>
		<link>http://www.thecep.org.uk/wordpress/constitutional-case/the-barnett-formula/comment-page-2/#comment-8757</link>
		<dc:creator>allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this type of debate rather refreshing, yes this site is dedicated to all things english, but it is not for english only, It may be irksome for some scots to read such english views delivered with ignorance and devoid of facts, yet we must understand that here is a small core of scots that have never lived in england and therefore expect england and its inhabitants to mirror the characters of the tv or magazines that are part of the Anglicization of all they seek to dominate, my view is pragmatic to them, travel their sprawling cities, vist their towns and hamlets, whether village green or concrete jungle you will find the reoccurring cultural attitudes, learn the violence they have to each other, and understand we can not and should not try to illuminate them for the own benefit, we should concentrate on achievable goals not try to flog a dead horse, let them do as they wish, society learns from mistakes, and yes it may take generations for them to come to terms with their failings, but we can not keep proping them up, let them stand on their own two feet, let them try to find a place in the world without an empire, and save our time and resources on things that matter,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this type of debate rather refreshing, yes this site is dedicated to all things english, but it is not for english only, It may be irksome for some scots to read such english views delivered with ignorance and devoid of facts, yet we must understand that here is a small core of scots that have never lived in england and therefore expect england and its inhabitants to mirror the characters of the tv or magazines that are part of the Anglicization of all they seek to dominate, my view is pragmatic to them, travel their sprawling cities, vist their towns and hamlets, whether village green or concrete jungle you will find the reoccurring cultural attitudes, learn the violence they have to each other, and understand we can not and should not try to illuminate them for the own benefit, we should concentrate on achievable goals not try to flog a dead horse, let them do as they wish, society learns from mistakes, and yes it may take generations for them to come to terms with their failings, but we can not keep proping them up, let them stand on their own two feet, let them try to find a place in the world without an empire, and save our time and resources on things that matter,</p>
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		<title>By: Proud to be a Scot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Proud to be a Scot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian - You&#039;re a Star.
A complete and utter disa-star, but damned fine entertainment with it. I know it&#039;s cruel to mock the inflicted, but this is better than the early rounds of X factor when we all have a little chuckle at some of the entrants.
You remind me so much of some of your fellow &quot;Country&quot;men with whom I work in the North Sea, who are happy to come to Scotland to take employment and a wage from the North Sea oil industry, while moaning and complaining about Scotland and the Scots. Your impression of my once proud nation is that of the drunken Glaswegian on the streets of London? Sadly, mine is of the Geordie roughneck on a train south from Aberdeen, drunk on 3 cans of Stella and shouting and swearing, regardless of the old ladies and young mums with children in the seats around them. Am I take it therefore that THIS is a stereotypical Englishman? Or should I take the sunburned lager filled chap eating a full English breakfast in a branch of Linekars somewhere on the Costa Brava? Or the England Suppoirters who do you so proud every time your national football team play abroad, rioting pissing in the streets?

I&#039;m a firm believer that under the skin we&#039;re all the same, and we ought to let bygones be bygones, however here are a couple of small corrections to your impressively well informed diatribes above. 
Scotia is Latin for Scotland, not Greek.
Beavers have been introduced into the wild in Scotland, not wolves.
I&#039;m from the East of Scotland, and my heritage is Pictish, (You know, the Picts - the ones who defeated Agricola at the Battle of Mons Graupus and inspired the Emperor Hadrian, to whom the English had already rolled over for, to build the wall, not to keep us out, not to keep you in, but to control trade routes between the north and South).
Lastly, and this applies to more than just yourself. There&#039;s a function on most computers these days called spellcheck. You can use it to help you out with your native language, though I&#039;m afraid you&#039;re on your own when it comes to grammar and syntax.
And Wonko, please take a look at fig 1 on the following page 

http://ior.senergyltd.com/issue5/articles/DTI_strat_plays/strat_plays.htm

You can see quite clearly that should our two nations ever be lucky enough to split from the Union, the lions share of Oil and gas reserves within the UK Continental shelf lie well above where any reasonable person would draw an international boundary between our two great nations.

How&#039;s the whole World Cup thing going for you? I hope you&#039;re enjoying it as much as I am. 


Gaeldom for the Gaels</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian &#8211; You&#8217;re a Star.<br />
A complete and utter disa-star, but damned fine entertainment with it. I know it&#8217;s cruel to mock the inflicted, but this is better than the early rounds of X factor when we all have a little chuckle at some of the entrants.<br />
You remind me so much of some of your fellow &#8220;Country&#8221;men with whom I work in the North Sea, who are happy to come to Scotland to take employment and a wage from the North Sea oil industry, while moaning and complaining about Scotland and the Scots. Your impression of my once proud nation is that of the drunken Glaswegian on the streets of London? Sadly, mine is of the Geordie roughneck on a train south from Aberdeen, drunk on 3 cans of Stella and shouting and swearing, regardless of the old ladies and young mums with children in the seats around them. Am I take it therefore that THIS is a stereotypical Englishman? Or should I take the sunburned lager filled chap eating a full English breakfast in a branch of Linekars somewhere on the Costa Brava? Or the England Suppoirters who do you so proud every time your national football team play abroad, rioting pissing in the streets?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a firm believer that under the skin we&#8217;re all the same, and we ought to let bygones be bygones, however here are a couple of small corrections to your impressively well informed diatribes above.<br />
Scotia is Latin for Scotland, not Greek.<br />
Beavers have been introduced into the wild in Scotland, not wolves.<br />
I&#8217;m from the East of Scotland, and my heritage is Pictish, (You know, the Picts &#8211; the ones who defeated Agricola at the Battle of Mons Graupus and inspired the Emperor Hadrian, to whom the English had already rolled over for, to build the wall, not to keep us out, not to keep you in, but to control trade routes between the north and South).<br />
Lastly, and this applies to more than just yourself. There&#8217;s a function on most computers these days called spellcheck. You can use it to help you out with your native language, though I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;re on your own when it comes to grammar and syntax.<br />
And Wonko, please take a look at fig 1 on the following page </p>
<p><a href="http://ior.senergyltd.com/issue5/articles/DTI_strat_plays/strat_plays.htm" rel="nofollow">http://ior.senergyltd.com/issue5/articles/DTI_strat_plays/strat_plays.htm</a></p>
<p>You can see quite clearly that should our two nations ever be lucky enough to split from the Union, the lions share of Oil and gas reserves within the UK Continental shelf lie well above where any reasonable person would draw an international boundary between our two great nations.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s the whole World Cup thing going for you? I hope you&#8217;re enjoying it as much as I am. </p>
<p>Gaeldom for the Gaels</p>
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		<title>By: Shoes Red</title>
		<link>http://www.thecep.org.uk/wordpress/constitutional-case/the-barnett-formula/comment-page-2/#comment-8601</link>
		<dc:creator>Shoes Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 02:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically its a nice article. Yes, that is true, I agree with you, but I am not sure if there are no other options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically its a nice article. Yes, that is true, I agree with you, but I am not sure if there are no other options.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 06:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Englishbob, does that mean that Scotland doesn&#039;t pay any taxes, perhaps we should move there then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Englishbob, does that mean that Scotland doesn&#8217;t pay any taxes, perhaps we should move there then?</p>
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		<title>By: Englishbob</title>
		<link>http://www.thecep.org.uk/wordpress/constitutional-case/the-barnett-formula/comment-page-2/#comment-8194</link>
		<dc:creator>Englishbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 23:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scotland this scotland that, scotland invented this and scotland invented that, scotland dicovered this and scotland discovered that and all with the help of the English tax payer and the English not seeing one single English penny returned with thanks.  Well, you know what they say about the scotish and penny pinching.  Well never mind, back to the subject......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scotland this scotland that, scotland invented this and scotland invented that, scotland dicovered this and scotland discovered that and all with the help of the English tax payer and the English not seeing one single English penny returned with thanks.  Well, you know what they say about the scotish and penny pinching.  Well never mind, back to the subject&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Nicholson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Nicholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an expat.  I was released from duty after having served in the Army for 35 years.  My Dad often asked when I would return home.  My answer was invariably, when the English cause themselves to enjoy the same freedoms that other parts of the UK enjoy, when the English enjoy the same freedoms as I currently enjoy in my adopted home, the Slovak Republic.

One of the first things we need to do is have the political classes stop telling us lies.  By act or ommision none of these people appear to want to lay the facts before all of us, so our decisions can be informed.  Rhetoric is fine in its place, but the topic of the break up of the UK is far too important to be relegated to jingoistic breast beating.

As you may freely surmise, being an Anglo/Scot I count myself as British.  My 35 years service should indicate my passion for a British Identity as I have seen it in action, working in concert and harmony for the benefit of many, in many different countries over many years.  I am very proud of the Scots half of my heritage, wear my Kilt on Hogmanay and when walking in the Mts, BUT I am just as proud of my (it must be said) Predominately English upbringing.  I support English Rugby and Cricket, think David Beckham one of the finest sporting ambasadors our shores have ever seen.  My lovely wife of 30 years is half Welsh and one of my daughters was born in Armagh.

That all said, the one guiding influence throughout my life and service was to fight injusice wherever I found it.  There is not a single doubt in my mind that the English have an absolute right to their own Parliament.  Sadly, unless and until our politicians decide to come clean and lay the facts before us (both north and south of the border) we may well make the right decision for all the wrong reasons.  The upshot of which will be neighbour countries living in enmity rather than harmony, in a mish mash of a federated state that no one is happy with.

I support the CEP, not from any jingoistic reason, but simply because it is just.  

My English half, with a chagrined smile insists that I point out though, it is not too long until 2066.  The English have come a long way since the Battle of Hastings.  I will not be around to see it, but I know 2 things.  First the party will last long into the night, and second; Adolf Hitler will be turning in his grave at the fact that a nation he tried for so long to crush, beat him to the 1,000 year punch.

Keep Smilin&#039;

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an expat.  I was released from duty after having served in the Army for 35 years.  My Dad often asked when I would return home.  My answer was invariably, when the English cause themselves to enjoy the same freedoms that other parts of the UK enjoy, when the English enjoy the same freedoms as I currently enjoy in my adopted home, the Slovak Republic.</p>
<p>One of the first things we need to do is have the political classes stop telling us lies.  By act or ommision none of these people appear to want to lay the facts before all of us, so our decisions can be informed.  Rhetoric is fine in its place, but the topic of the break up of the UK is far too important to be relegated to jingoistic breast beating.</p>
<p>As you may freely surmise, being an Anglo/Scot I count myself as British.  My 35 years service should indicate my passion for a British Identity as I have seen it in action, working in concert and harmony for the benefit of many, in many different countries over many years.  I am very proud of the Scots half of my heritage, wear my Kilt on Hogmanay and when walking in the Mts, BUT I am just as proud of my (it must be said) Predominately English upbringing.  I support English Rugby and Cricket, think David Beckham one of the finest sporting ambasadors our shores have ever seen.  My lovely wife of 30 years is half Welsh and one of my daughters was born in Armagh.</p>
<p>That all said, the one guiding influence throughout my life and service was to fight injusice wherever I found it.  There is not a single doubt in my mind that the English have an absolute right to their own Parliament.  Sadly, unless and until our politicians decide to come clean and lay the facts before us (both north and south of the border) we may well make the right decision for all the wrong reasons.  The upshot of which will be neighbour countries living in enmity rather than harmony, in a mish mash of a federated state that no one is happy with.</p>
<p>I support the CEP, not from any jingoistic reason, but simply because it is just.  </p>
<p>My English half, with a chagrined smile insists that I point out though, it is not too long until 2066.  The English have come a long way since the Battle of Hastings.  I will not be around to see it, but I know 2 things.  First the party will last long into the night, and second; Adolf Hitler will be turning in his grave at the fact that a nation he tried for so long to crush, beat him to the 1,000 year punch.</p>
<p>Keep Smilin&#8217;</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: T. R. Spratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. R. Spratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>an English Parliament will follow in short order when the English Democrats Party secures a majority in the Westminster Parliament. that would be followed as quickly by England leaving the United Kingdom, since a federation in which one partner has 84% of the population cannot last. as soon as England departs the UK the question of what is England&#039;s oil and what is Scotland&#039;s oil (actually at that stage the UK&#039;s oil, since the UK would then consist of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) is back on the table for negotiation.

The Young Wessex League
&quot;Zeaxe; owre land and volc&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an English Parliament will follow in short order when the English Democrats Party secures a majority in the Westminster Parliament. that would be followed as quickly by England leaving the United Kingdom, since a federation in which one partner has 84% of the population cannot last. as soon as England departs the UK the question of what is England&#8217;s oil and what is Scotland&#8217;s oil (actually at that stage the UK&#8217;s oil, since the UK would then consist of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) is back on the table for negotiation.</p>
<p>The Young Wessex League<br />
&#8220;Zeaxe; owre land and volc&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian

ROFL!..........Honestly that was hilarious, you must be one of those &#039;Jocks&#039; you clearly dislike so much trying to make the English look stupid and quite xenophobic into the bargain.

I support English independeance so much so, that if the guy above IS serious(honestly I am not sure) keep him away from a microphone or panphleteering duties. Better still give him the address of the English Defence league or BNP and tell him no tae let the door hit him oan the wiy oot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian</p>
<p>ROFL!&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Honestly that was hilarious, you must be one of those &#8216;Jocks&#8217; you clearly dislike so much trying to make the English look stupid and quite xenophobic into the bargain.</p>
<p>I support English independeance so much so, that if the guy above IS serious(honestly I am not sure) keep him away from a microphone or panphleteering duties. Better still give him the address of the English Defence league or BNP and tell him no tae let the door hit him oan the wiy oot!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Thurston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Thurston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. It does seem as if there are more Scots on here than English, which must be a fault of the administration. I mean healthy debate is one thing amongst those who sincerely wish to get the concept of an English Parliament clearly in our mind, but all this idiotic banter and arguing the toss with Scotts about nothing in particular is having a toxic and opposite effect upon what we truly intend. 

Someone said above, that &quot;someone&quot; (possibly about me or about some others) that we were knocking the Scots! I can&#039;t find any evidence of any malicious knocking of the Scots, BUT I can find plenty of evidence of the Scots maliciously knocking the English! Where&#039;s the moderator to protect us EVEN online!? What are the CEP doing allowing this anti-English assault upon us right here on our own website and blogg?

Most of us may not dislike the Scots that much, but having more Scots on this blogg site than English is clearly subversive. What&#039;s that about? I don&#039;t think it adds to the argument for an English Parliament and I don&#039;t think it encourages English people to want to discuss or debate anything constructive on here at all - especially while we&#039;re being harranged by foreign idiots - when we should be arguing with each other about the pros and cons of differnet methods to achieve our national assembly. I haven&#039;t even been able to say a single word about the Barnett Formula because of verbal assaults from these Scots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. It does seem as if there are more Scots on here than English, which must be a fault of the administration. I mean healthy debate is one thing amongst those who sincerely wish to get the concept of an English Parliament clearly in our mind, but all this idiotic banter and arguing the toss with Scotts about nothing in particular is having a toxic and opposite effect upon what we truly intend. </p>
<p>Someone said above, that &#8220;someone&#8221; (possibly about me or about some others) that we were knocking the Scots! I can&#8217;t find any evidence of any malicious knocking of the Scots, BUT I can find plenty of evidence of the Scots maliciously knocking the English! Where&#8217;s the moderator to protect us EVEN online!? What are the CEP doing allowing this anti-English assault upon us right here on our own website and blogg?</p>
<p>Most of us may not dislike the Scots that much, but having more Scots on this blogg site than English is clearly subversive. What&#8217;s that about? I don&#8217;t think it adds to the argument for an English Parliament and I don&#8217;t think it encourages English people to want to discuss or debate anything constructive on here at all &#8211; especially while we&#8217;re being harranged by foreign idiots &#8211; when we should be arguing with each other about the pros and cons of differnet methods to achieve our national assembly. I haven&#8217;t even been able to say a single word about the Barnett Formula because of verbal assaults from these Scots.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Platt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Platt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we need to do is find out who all these traitorous enemy within are in parliament and out them so us &quot;sour little Englanders&quot; can vote them out ASAP. I suggest David Cameron and Gordon Brown be the first and second on that list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we need to do is find out who all these traitorous enemy within are in parliament and out them so us &#8220;sour little Englanders&#8221; can vote them out ASAP. I suggest David Cameron and Gordon Brown be the first and second on that list.</p>
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