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Hi there, I’ve recently returned to England after many years overseas and I am shocked at the state of English self-determination, and the anti-English stance of this Labour Government. I have joined the English Democrats and am exploring other websites like the CEP’s.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:15 amI do disagree with the statement on your Home page though … ‘Ultimately, an English Parliament cannot come about without the co-operation and agreement of the House of Commons.’
Neither the Government nor the Opposition is interested in an English Government. They are very happy for the English just to keep on protesting and complaining, because soon Britishness will be so institutionalised in England that the so-called ‘British’ who live in our country will outnumber the English. Clearly we cannot wait for Parliament to come about of its own volition, time is of the essence. Vested interests are endemic in Westminster, so we must find a way to force change.
In business I have always taken the approach of finding ways around immovable obstacles. In this case I believe someone should challenge the UK Government in the only higher body available – The European Court of Human Rights.
Having de-stabilised the United Kingdom by devolving power to Scotland, this Government’s refusal to consider an English Parliament is racist, and clearly denies the English nation and people ‘universal and equal suffrage’ guaranteed the 1948 European Convention on Human Rights, Article 21, 3.
This would present an opportunity to create, at least, a lot of publicity, a focus for English people to connect with and a large amount of embarrassment for this racist, anti-English Government. But, time is rapidly running out.
I hope this is useful input, and I’ll carry on reading your site.
Regards,
Phil Drane
It’s strange but i have been preparing to do this exact same thing, if only to complain about the rough treatment and justice metered out to my children and me because, i believe, we are English. This situation has been festering for some time and i know that the law as it stands, is wholly biased against us. I am one of those people that regard my home (ENGLAND) as our castle. Served us very well, with the moat and drawbridge, during a war where we as a nation fought and protected the rest of this ungrateful world, alone and together. That type of togetherness is needed again if we are to survive as a nation. I am willing, and will continue to proclaim my Englishness, through the better version of the language our deriders speak so britishly about our nation.Good show,let’s talk English.
November 12th, 2008 at 1:58 amInteresting website you have here. I’m as much a Scottish patriot as you are English but we definitely share a common belief: the end of the UK. England should have its own parliament, and the fact it doesn’t is a kick in the teeth on 2 counts:
1. It’s undemocratic considering Scotland, Wales & N.Ireland all have forms of devolved government yet England does not.
2. It perpetuates the myth that Britain = England which many English people believe to be so, but clearly from reading here not all.
I’m not anti-English in any way incidentally and detest Gordon Brown as much as you do!
December 28th, 2008 at 4:31 pmGo for it you are entitled to it some sensible comments on this site
September 5th, 2009 at 12:25 pmWe are fighting an uphill battle, both Gordon Brown and David Cameron are signatories to the Scottish Claim Of Right.This commits them to putting Scotland’s interests before all others. Fair enough, they are both Scots.The problem arises when they want to preside over the UK as a whole.We have seen how the English taxpayer is funding free prescriptions and uni places north of the border.The nationalist parties cannot be allowed to have it both ways,either return to the old way of central government,or,disolve the union totally and allow us to all go our seperate ways and remove the financial milstone that is Scotland from around the English neck. I am not on a xenophobic rant here,i freely acknowledge that a good many Scots live and work in England, also i accept the right of people born in England to be English regardless of skin colour. these people are also subjected to the anti English stance adopted by the government. finally, i would urge everybody using this website to google English Claim of Right and sign up.We have the same goals
September 21st, 2009 at 4:01 pmI understand the views expressed here not only those of anger but also the sense of disapointment felt by many English that as a nation we so oftern appear to be side-lined and passed over by our own govenment. However I do not believe that devolution is the answer to our problems. Together the United Kingdom still stands stong in a rapidly evolving international political landscape. My question is why can England and her peoples not be represented by an assmbly govenment in the same manner as Wales, and yet together the three assembly govenments of England, Wales and Scotland be united as the British Govenment at Westminster?
Britain was and is a great country and a strong nation not because of any one people within its borders but because together the British are a strong, hardworking and independant nation.
Together we are strong, but if we are to stand together all must have a right to be heard.
October 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pmJames, you say “we” and “our problems” but you’re in Wales. If you’re going to try and pass yourself off as an Englishman, don’t use a computer at the University of Aberystwyth.
But what you say is largely correct and the CEP is only campaigning for a referendum on a devolved English Parliament within the union.
October 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pmWonko – do you check the IP address and location of every contributor and does it matter that “James” is in Wales when he says that he is English.
James – I used to think that devolution – “regional” assemblies ( thats National assemblies to me ) and a centralised federal UK parliament would work, but after a lot of thought I’m pretty sure it won’t. In that scenario England would dominate by sheer numbers and in time the UK parliament would be likely to be Anglo ( or is that Englo ) Centric leaving the other “partners” out on a limb .
There are major cultural differences involved.
My preference is for and Independent England, Scotland , Wales, NI, Eire, IoM & Channel Islands with a Council of the Isles to cover policies that effect all these countries.
October 20th, 2009 at 4:05 pmIm a Englishman born and bred in Geordie land. I agree with everything which is being said here. If we are not treated the same as being all British then the english should be lead by our own people the English.
As for James you mentioned the U.K, sorry…James do you know what the U.K is and stands for? If not go to TPUC.Org and get ready to be shocked to the core and have your eyes really opened.
P.S Can anyone tell me if a man/woman born over seas can be a prime- minister of a British Government.
October 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pmI don’t need to check it’s already looked up when the email notification is sent out. Anything from .ac.uk or .gov.uk stands out, obviously.
October 20th, 2009 at 8:01 pmEnglishbob, the UK Prime Minister can be born in any country he or she wants as far as I’m concerned. As far as the law is concerned, as long as he or she is a UK citizen they can be Prime Minister. The CEP has no view on this other than that the UK Prime Minister should be elected in an English constituency while English doesn’t have its own government.
October 20th, 2009 at 8:11 pmThank you Wonkotsane. only ask because ive read Scotland is over-seas and if this is so then no Scotman should rule or lead the English or be in Govt.
October 21st, 2009 at 12:26 amWonkotsane, with the creation of an English parliament, surely we would expect to see the number of English MP’s in Westminster decrease substantially?
Can I ask as an estimate, what the number of English MP’s will decrease to?
October 21st, 2009 at 8:33 amGeorge, the CEP doesn’t have a detailed policy on the makeup of the British or English governments post English devolution as it detracts from the core objective of securing a referendum on an English Parliament with at least the same powers as the Scottish Parliament. The CEP jointly founded the English Constitutional Convention with the English Democrats for that sort of thing.
My personal view, however, is that the British government should consist of one MP per county from all four home nations. That’s actual counties, not unitary authorities and not including London which has its own Assembly. I would put the London Assembly under the English Parliament and allow the London Assembly to send 2 or 3 representatives to the English Parliament.
October 21st, 2009 at 10:04 amQuote- ‘James, you say “we” and “our problems” but you’re in Wales. If you’re going to try and pass yourself off as an Englishman, don’t use a computer at the University of Aberystwyth.’
You may not be aware but it is possible for English students to study at Welsh Universitys.
October 26th, 2009 at 8:39 pmI have read the comments thus far with interest and there are several points of concensus. I’m somewhat surprised and impressed by the objectivity of those who are not English. There seems to be some empathy for England’s plight, particularly with regard to inequality in the United Kingdom context. Now that the Leader of the Scottish Parliament, Alex Salmond, has revealed that the Scottish Nationalists’ manifesto supports full separation from the UK and direct representation for Scotland in Europe. This seems to be a clear signal from a large section of the Scottish Parliament that the Act of Union, already damaged by Celtic devolution, should be repealed. How then, can the United Kingdom have any future? How how do your correspondents think this will affect England?
November 4th, 2009 at 9:25 pmBy the way, can I suggest the constructive views expressed thus far have been tainted by unnecessary ’sniping’. Why not keep the debate balanced and acrimony-free? Best wishes to all, Jack Cropper, Englishman.
HELLO Wonkotsane on the 21 oct 2009 I asked if scotland was officially over sea I would like to know if this is true. As you said to be pm you would have to be born in the uk. Would you be a uk citizen if you were born over seas. Iam slighly puzzled. Thank you. English BOB.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:50 amHello Wonkotsane. Am I in the right place to ask this Question. Thank You.
November 9th, 2009 at 11:17 pmHello Wonkotsane, I am also writing from the University of Aberystwyth, I am not sure if that is allowed or not! What is the defintion of an Englishman, as I am currently living and studying in Wales. I hope that an English Parliament will be established soon, and give my full support. I just hope that it will represent English civic nationalism and not be based on where a person was born.
November 12th, 2009 at 6:51 pmEnglishbob, it is wrong for the British Prime Minister to be elected in a constituency that isn’t in England because most of his or her job will be focussed solely on England as more than three quarters of the governance of the country their own constituency is in is devolved. They will therefore not be held to account for their actions for more than three quarters of what they do as it is irrelevant to their constituents. Once England has its own government like the rest of the UK, there would be no moral or constitutional objection to the British Prime Minister being elected in any of the home nations. But until that time, the British Prime Minister should be elected in England so they can be held to account for everything they do rather than just a small proportion of it.
Steve, the CEP promotes civic nationalism over ethnic nationalism. We want to see an English Parliament for all the people of England be they black, white, English, Scottish, Polish, Martian, etc. “The people of England” was summed up very well by one of our members as all those people who live in England and for whom England is their home and future.
November 13th, 2009 at 6:52 amRob [2] wants us to speak English. check out “how we’d talk if the English had won in 1066″ by David Cowley ISBN 978 07552 11678. available from Authors On Line Ltd., 19 The Cinques, Gamlingay, Sandy, Bedfordshire SG19 3NU, also as e-book: http://www.authorsonline.co.uk
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November 13th, 2009 at 12:35 pm“Zeaxe; owre land and volc”
Hello Wonkotsane. I believe Spain is officially over seas like France, Germany and Scotland. So what you say is, it does not make any differents if your Country is over seas, you can still be the British Prime Minister as long as you are elected in England.
When you say the Home Nations. Do you mean England,wales and Scotland? If you do. Then how can Scotland be a Home Nation if it is affically over seas?
I believe England should have its own GOVERNMENT and ruled by the English only, no Ifs no Buts. Why do the none-English hate and are scared of England and the English ruling themselfs? Thank you.
November 13th, 2009 at 9:44 pmHello Wonkotsane. I’m just asking in a differant way because I want to get it clean in my head. Sorry if it comes over as if I was repeating myself. Thank You.
November 13th, 2009 at 9:53 pmEnglishbob, nationality is irrelevant, it’s about accountability. If a Scottish (nationality) MP representing an English constituency becomes British Prime Minister then that’s fine because he or she can be held to account by English voters that are affected by most of his or her actions rather than Scottish voters that are affected by no more than 15% of his or her actions.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:51 amMcFeagle [8] is right. a UK federation in which 84% of the federation’s population lived in England could not last for long
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November 14th, 2009 at 11:14 am“Zeaxe; owre land and volc”
Hello Wonkotsane. If Nationality is Irrelevant and its all about Accountability. Then if a German (Nationlity) MP REPRESENTING an English Constituency becomes British Prime Minister then this is also fine by English voters. Sorry but not by me. Thank You.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:43 pmI am reading a interesting book by Paul Kingsnorth called One No, Many Yesses. It is about a global coalition of millions, uniting in resistance to an out of control global economy and building alternatives to it – surely the EU is just a step on the road to a global fascist state, all run by the same people in the shadows.
He talks about how the Zapatista people decided that enough was enough and that they wanted self rule. After 500 years of asking for better treatment, in the end they just got themselves together and created their own parliament and it worked.
He explains that this movement is devoted to the concept of horizontal organising – working in networks, not hierarchies, with no appoint leaders. Decisions are taken by concensus, with majority votes, and no person or organisation is obliged to do or agree to, anything they don’t like. This brings about a diversity of aim, or tactics and ideas. Why don’t we do this for England?
November 18th, 2009 at 7:03 pmI was also reading Vernon Coleman’s book “The OFPIS File The Organisation For the Preservation of Individuality and Sovereignty”.
In chapter 24 The Case for Leaving the EU: Why England Should Declare Independence.
He says that “Membership of the EU brings only costs and commitments and regulations. There are no benefits. Contrary to official propaganda, membership of the EU makes England less competitive ad it endangers English jobs. The EU gives us costly and damaging resultations, diminishes our ability to control immigration and reduces our freedom.
Leaving the EU superstate is essential if we are to regain our freedom, privacy and independence.” He says it is much easier to see why other countries are wise to be members of this absurd club… What is the point of being a member of a club which has massive membership fees when you get absolutely nothing out of it that you want? Over 30 years of membership of the EU has cost England £75 billion in membership fees. A full list of the benefits the nation has obtained from the EU can be found on every sheet of toilet paper sold within the European Union.”
He goes on to say that the EU will fail, but by that time, we will all be starving so we should get out now and it would only take 14 hrs. He says England should, and can stand alone. It is the only dignified solution. It is the only way to regain our national self-respect.
As our politicians on every stripe have been bought hook, line and sinker by the EU, we have to have a serious discussion about how to extract ourselves and we need to do it fast.
November 18th, 2009 at 7:04 pmJules, [28]. there is a fool-proof way of extracting from the EU and that is to set up an English parliament. that would lead to a UK federation which would be inherently unstable because England with 84% of the population would blow the UK constitution clean away. the newly independent England would then be a new entity as far as the EU is concerned, since the residual obligations would remain with the rest of the UK – Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
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November 20th, 2009 at 12:25 pm“Zeaxe; owre land and volc”
PhilD [1] is right. none of the other parties can allow the English their parliament, because they are all unionist parties. only the English Democrats Party, is prepared to contemplate the consequences of an English parliament, and those consequences are the end of the UK. English nationalism is the new political force which devolution has unleashed.
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November 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pm“Zeaxe; owre land and volc”
Jules [28] there is only one sure route for extracting England from the EU and that is by voting the English Democrat Party into power. while the media distracted us with a side show about Tony Blair’s bid for the Presidency of the EU, President Sarkozy of France put a French fox in charge of the English chicken coop. his mission is to transfer the business of the London Stock Exchange to the Paris Bourse.
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November 21st, 2009 at 11:00 am“Zeaxe; owre land and volc”
Fully agree with your last paragraph But how do you rouse the indifferent
November 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pmEngland and most of its people are sleepwalking into all this
comments and miny discussions are around all the time ,the media touches on certain aspects stories odd programmes with the occasional Politician….. but fails to produce positive feelings one voice is heard at a time ….nothing unified….so on it goes to…. Englands detriment
With the likes of the Pro Euro Politicians getting there Voice heard all the time( well snouts in the trough brigade)this will never stop while we are locked into this rotten to the core society of pilfering,embezzlement,& corruptness our voice must get Louder !
so we just drift along and deeper into this undemocratic period history of England
Can we ? Will we ? ever get out of this
In England you are starting to hear alot more talk of Independence, but not enough are saying this,certainly we need more from the People in Prominant positions, we can only hope they step forward ! and Soon !
We have the BNP,UKIP,English Democrats,and others all against the EU club we can only hope this will continue to grow, Euro sceptics will be tested in this forthcoming election,
All down to the people then…. lets hope they turn out
In recent articles we have shown how the Fabians, no matter what party they are in, have continued their planned destruction of our country. The old Conservative party before it was infiltrated by the Fabians was actually protecting the people from the taxation onslaught, but not by being in the Commons. Asquiths lies and treason in 1911 (1911 Parliament Act) did not only remove the Prerogative Assent power from the Monarch (king George Vth) illegally but also destroyed the powers of the Lords.
http://www.tpuc.org/node/36
http://www.tpuc.org/search/node/COMMON+PURPOSE
Article 61: lawful Rebellion ‘to stop the final evolution of slavery’. Part 1: The truth about MP’s and Parliament
… deliberate, determine, and act jointly for some ‘common purpose’. Law; A rule of conduct or procedure established by … to deliberate, determine, and act jointly for some ‘common purpose’, a partnership that requires consent from all parties. …
Don’t know if you know- the site http://www.cpexposed has just been taken down- getting too close to the truth!
December 10th, 2009 at 5:58 pmhttp://saxonsawake.org.uk/
Britain a Nation of Immigrants?- Rubbish!
December 10th, 2009 at 6:03 pmWe are bamboozled by apologists who try to pretend that ‘Britain is a nation of immigrants”. This the opposite of the truth: for a thousand years, Britain was one of the most homogeneous populations in the world – a fabulous heritage thoughtlessly squandered by the ‘diversity’ saboteurs. In an article in the Spectator, Oxford professor David Coleman, comprehensively debunks the “Britain is a Nation of Immigrants” myth. Read and download.
I Agree that england should have there own Government [or Executive] and Parliament [or Assembly] as soon as that happends the better , then the United Kingdom can finally be over
and maybe a Confederal Commonwealth of England, Wales, Scotland , Ireland [all of it]
can be constituted for the Common issues of these Isles, [defence etc]
im not from england im from the North of Ireland, we where all joined together by the Acts of Union 1800 [and 1707] so i guess the easier we move towards the break up of the Dictatorship that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland [UK] The better for all.
good luck on An English Parliament and May God Protect England, Scotland and Ireland.
March 1st, 2010 at 12:08 amand may we be close friends in a new world of freedom, Democracy, and Respect for all.
All the English want is to be the same as every one else and then we can start to work together.
March 1st, 2010 at 4:51 pm