A report commissioned by the Welsh government says that Scotland’s subsidy under the Barnett Bribe should be cut by £4bn if funding is allocated based on need rather than population and political expediency as it current is.
The Welsh government has been promised a referendum by the Brits on turning the Welsh Assembly into a Welsh Parliament and a commission has suggested that the Welsh government should have the power to vary income tax by 3p – a power the Scottish government already has. The Brits have also promised the Scottish government more powers over taxation and an independence referendum will be held some time soon north of the border.
And England? The West Lothian Question has been kicked into the long grass with a promise of an unspecified commission at some point in the future with no changes to the unconstitutional and institutionally racist system of imperialist British government of England in the meantime.
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One thing leaps off of the screen at me when I read the last link above. “‘I don’t love England, but nor do I hate it. I am indifferent. @”
July 7th, 2010 at 11:43 amAnd that sums me up perfectly.
The subsidy should not be cut…There should be NO subsidy giving what so ever…There is no such thing as an British Gov of England, there is only a British Gov and us English want our own English Gov…So England can be run by its own people the English and if you or anyone disagrees of the English ruling and looking after themselves, then F@@koff.
July 7th, 2010 at 1:28 pmA great point well made Bob, I salute you.
July 7th, 2010 at 2:10 pmAllow me to make it clear.
My desire to see an Independant England is as strong, if not stronger than yours. Until England gets it’s own independant government, run by “its own people” as you say, then Scotland will never gain it’s own Government.
We share the same aims, the difference between us is obviously that you care a great deal about England, whereas I, on the other hand, couldn’t care less.
Remember 1314
Thank you, nice to know you don’t care less, oh sorry already did. I can’t say when we will get our independence, theres quite a few of the Scottish Raj still at the highest level of Govenment, even though Brown, Blair, Darling and Reid have been taken out of the picture after they wreaked the economy before they went. So we will probably have to wait for the Scot Cameron to wreak it a bit more, before the English finally get fed up with being taken for a ride by people like you.
Remember 1746.
July 7th, 2010 at 4:00 pmSorry Stuart (Still loving the Scottish spelling incidentally, you must be most proud of your Scots heritage!), but I don’t believe that I’m taking anyone for a ride. In fact, as someone who pays income tax in the higher band, I’m as distraught at the fact our joint economies have been “wreaked”, as you would have it, by the former UK government. I do, however, believe that the economic crisis is a global issue, and one which started with the collapse of the sub-prime mortgage market in the USA, and not wholly by Brown, Blair et al, but am reassured by your paranioa in implicating the Scots in the current crisis. It helps emphasise the fact tat the CEP are a rational lot, no matter how honourable and desireable their wishes are.
July 7th, 2010 at 4:25 pmNow we have foisted upon us David Cameron and Nick Clegg, despite Scotland returning only one Conservative MP in the May elections. In what way is that fair on us up North of the Border. It would be something akin to Alex Salmond being made Prime Minister of the UK, despite only having seats in Scotland, and none of us would ever want to see that happening now, I’m sure we can agree on that at least.
It says a lot about English nationalism that we have to rely on Welsh and Scottish nationalism to do the work for us. There still seems a great deal of ignorance and apathy in England, and the Welsh and Scottish seem to be forced to do the work for us. Even if Scotland and Wales became independent, I don’t see most English people knowing the difference between British and English. After all, what is the difference between Britain and England?
July 7th, 2010 at 7:25 pmSturat – just noticed your 1746 comment on the bottom there, apologies for not noticing it before. Please allow me the liberty too, of taking a few moments to correct the misconception that the second Jacobite rebellion, or the ’45 as it is sometimes referred to was a Scots v English affair.
The Second Jacobite uprising was fought between the Hanoverian and Jacobite armies. There were as many Scots who fought on the side of the House of hanover as there were English who fought on behalf of the Jacobites.
The Jacobites’ main aims were to restore the crown to King James II (The house of Stuart, ironically enough)after he was deposed and sovereignty fell to his daughter Queen Mary and her Dutch born husband, King William of Orange. During the ’45, the majority of Scots were hostile to the intentions of the Stuarts (hostile to someone called Stuart – imagaine that), and many Burghs at the time offered Burgess status to any man willing to raise arms against the Jacobites. The Jacobite army at the time of the ’45 was comprised of mainly highland Scots, along with French, Irish and troops from the North of England, the Jacobites were also joined in the later stages by aorund 300 English episcopalians, who felt that the Jacobites offered their religious outlook a more favourable future.. The hanoverian army consisted of, among others, one third Lowland Scots, and Highland Scots from Clan Sutherland, Clan Sinclair, Clan Campbell, Clan MacKay, Clan Munro, Clan Ross, Clan Gunn, Clan MacLeod, and Clan Grant.
All this information is freely available online, and even in your local library Stuart, you really ought to brush up on some facts before starting to type.
July 7th, 2010 at 8:22 pmSteve – Great Britian is an Island situated East of Ireland and northwest of France and is made up of the countries Scotland, England and Wales.
England is a smaller Country wich is one of the constituent countries of great Britain, and part of The United Kingdom of great Britian and Northern Ireland.
I think most of us who have even an elementary education anywhere in the UK know the difference, the rest of the world, however, need to be educated.
July 7th, 2010 at 8:34 pmAre we being neglected because the organizations like the English Democrats who are supposed to be campaigning for us are more interested in picking fights with other nationalists and campaigning in Wales than in campaigning for England? You would think that the English Democrats had won in England and established an English Parliament the way that they seem to spend more time concerning themselves with Scotland and Wales. England deserves better!
July 8th, 2010 at 7:36 amRemember 1314,
There you go again, deliberately muddling the facts, Blair and Brown had already overcooked the economy before the American sub prime fiasco, in England they were already shutting all the Cottage Hospitals and making cuts to Social Services in 2006/2007. The Subprime Market collapse was a get out of jail for Gordon Brown, the Great Leader who was never elected leader!
Yes I am rather proud of my name I’ve had it all my life, I’m quite proud of my family in Crookston as well and my family in Nantyglo as well.
I do thank you for conceding that we are a rational organisation. I don’t quite understand your jibe at David Cameron, both his parents are Scots so what does that make him? now no swearing remember you said you would cut it out.
Thank you for the history lesson, there was really no need I already knew, as do most of my generation, it’s only the generations that are coming out of school now that know little about our shared history after New Labour wreaked our Education system.
Steve,
I’ve already told you, don’t you understand English the CEP and the English Democrats are different organisations, if you want to complain about them go and compain to them. Have you passed on your details to the web-master yet?
Remember 1333
July 8th, 2010 at 8:13 amStuart –
‘I don’t quite understand your jibe at David Cameron, both his parents are Scots so what does that make him’
Well, to my mind, and as always I am prepared to stand corrected, he was born in London, educated in Winkfield, Berkshire and Eton, Berkshire, stood for parliament in Stafford before finally being elected to the constituency of Whitney, Oxfordshire. He has never lived in Scotland but did spend some time in Hong Kong. I do not suggest for one moment that he is a Chinaman as a result of his stay in Hong Kong. I would maintain that he is, to all intents and purposes, an Englishman, albeit one with English, Scottish, German and Ashkenazi Jewish heritage.
The party which he leads is one which returned only one MP in Scotland, yet we are all, both North and Siouth of the border stuck with him due to a large proportion of the electorate south of the border casting their votes in their favour, combined with the Lib-Dems swallowing some of their principles to side with them.
The link below will help you find out a little more about David Cameron if there’s anything else you ‘don’t understand’.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cameron
You say you had no need of the history lesson, yet you used remember 1746 in your post? I assume therefore that your intent was to say ‘Remember the final battle in what was ultimately a civil war based on religion and desire for power and not related in any way to nationality’.
Nice one mate, you cheer me up with that kind o’ thing
July 8th, 2010 at 8:39 amLooking at how this has been tagged with ‘imperialism’ it struck me that what goes around comes around, we often boast how much England has done for the world, even though a lot of it was done under the evils of imperialism, and now we are having very much the taste of our own medicine. At least we had a vote on joining the European Union, I don’t remember Scotland, Wales, India and countless other countries having a vote to join the so-called glorious Empire. Is this karma? Sowing what we’ve reaped?
July 8th, 2010 at 1:42 pmSurely Steve, you mean reap what one has sown and not the other way round.
July 8th, 2010 at 2:19 pmHowever, if you know of a way one can harvest a crop without actually sowing it, can you fire up to Aberdeen sometime to help me out in my allotment
HA,HA,HA…Remember 1314…I don’t believe it, you called me bob what was wrong with (English) bob or are you like the rest of them not feeling comforble or cring saying the word ENGLISH…I forgive you. My post is just saying I want to be ruled by agreement by my own people who are the English, which means I want my own English Gov. I’m I wrong for wanting this?
P.S Obviously I care a great deal about England and for scotland I couldn’t care less…SNAP.
July 8th, 2010 at 7:55 pmAye Bob (English or not, I’m assuming your name is Bob, and your nationality doesn’t make any difference to me, Unless you prefer Robert, which again, is fine by me)
July 8th, 2010 at 9:11 pmSee, we’re the same you and I, we want the same things. I fully agree that each of the individual countries that make up the UK ought to be fun for and by the people who choose to live in those countries. I’m not suggersting that some of my English neighbours would not be welcome to stand for parliament in an independent Scotland as long as they choose to live here (apart from the bloke at #26 – he can f@@k off as you so eloquently put it – with his funny little dogs and all!)
And no, I am perfectly comfortable using the words England, English, Anglo, anything you like really, I quite like the place as a holiday destination, but I do wish that some shopkeepers would accept our banknotes a little more readily, it can be a real chore trying to get a Clydesdale bank tenner spent down south. I certainly don’t cringe when i use the ‘E’ word, and thus far my fingers haven’t yet recoiled from the keyboard.
If you are insistent tho, I’ll call you Englishbob from now on, and if you like, you can call me ScottishColin, or just plain Colin, it’a all the same to me.
“It would be something akin to Alex Salmond being made Prime Minister of the UK, despite only having seats in Scotland, and none of us would ever want to see that happening now, I’m sure we can agree on that at least”.
Sorry, I’ll have to disagree there. Don’t forget, Scotland already has it’s own parliament and even the last UK PM did not have any votes from English constituents.
Alex Salmond would make a great PM for the UK (I honestly think he’d put an English referendum for an English Parliament as one of his priorities and for that alone he’s got to be respected).
Admittedly, it would be difficult for Alex though – he has doggedly targeted a very niche market in his career so far, but if only he could broaden his horizons, give up any lingering feelings that he has to prove he’s an adult and start considering the fact that here in Great Britain we all live on a small island.
I don’t know him but he appears sincere to me. If only he would stretch himself, I really think he could do it!
July 8th, 2010 at 11:35 pmOn Topic:
What does the English Government have to say about the Welsh report?
Oh, I nearly forgot. We don’t have an English Government.
July 8th, 2010 at 11:39 pmRemember 1314,
All those hours you spend crouched over your computer, or are you not able to understand plain English. I don’t need a life story of David Cameron from you , unfortunately I already know too much about him. “Both his parents are Scots so what does that make him?” it makes him a Scot, it’s in his genes, now do you understand?
You must also understand that I don’t really care what you may say on these pages, my one aim being a member of the CEP is the establishment of an English Parliament or full English Freedom and independence from the Scottish Raj, typified by David Cameron and Gordon Brown.
I wouldn’t want to be some obsessive complusive crouched over a computer all day.
July 9th, 2010 at 6:34 amJust helping out with the small print tho’ Stuart – David Cameron DOES have some Scottish heritage, I fully concede that, however, he also has English, German and Middle European Heritage. Very few of my countrymen voted for him, yet we have to suffer his leadership for 5 years because of the support his party gained south of the border. I wouldn’t call him Scottish, only the most deluded among us, perhaps the kind of person who sees a Scotsman hiding behind every bad thing that’s happened in this country would consider him to be Scottish.
Glad you don’t care what I have to say if I’m being totally honest, but puzzled about why, therefore, you feel the need to respond every time I say something. Perhaps you might find your aims would be slightly more achievable if you toned down the Anti-Scottish slant of some of your entries in this blog and realised (and apologies to all for having to repeat this, time and time again) that our aims are the same, and that you ought to embrace Scottish Nationalism the same way that Scottish Nationalists have embraced the CEP. Or is the fact that Scottish nationalists agree with the CEPs aims enough to make you start hating and fearing it too??
July 9th, 2010 at 7:30 amBob will do if you wish colin but ROBERT only on sundays…agreed?…And yes I would take all you scottish tenners south of scotland and spend them in my home town of Gateshead as I already do, so they do take the scottish money down south of scotlnd…Have a look on the back of the English £20 note, I’m sure theres somethig scottish there…so you win again…DAM!!!
July 9th, 2010 at 11:52 amIt’s not a competition Bob, and best we leave Adam Smith out of it or some of the more fundamentalist users of these pages may accuse you of being a closet jock.
July 9th, 2010 at 12:34 pmNice part of the world is Gateshead, used to work with an older fellow who lived in Low Fell – nice chap,
Englishbob is a ecret Scotland lover, so don’t believe a word he says!!!
July 9th, 2010 at 3:21 pmMeant secret Scotland lover!
July 9th, 2010 at 3:21 pmI love Gateshead and Newcastle Upon tyne too Bob and visit down that way a few times a year. I love the Geordies!
David Cameron like Gordon Brown consider themselves to be British Politicians not Scootish or English or otherwise. They consider themselves to be working for the good of all Britain depending on who you trust most. I liked Tony Blair, Gordon Brown. About David Cameron now it is early days but to be quite honest I don’t think he will be as bad as Margaret Thatcher, but I still don’t trust him Who I do really dislike is that leader of the LibDems Nick Clegg who sold his soul to gain power to Westminster. However if this present Government ends up making a total mess of this country then I will b hoping it will get the boot soon as possible from the voters.
July 9th, 2010 at 3:38 pmLow Fell is the drinking watering hole of Gateshead don’t you know…No I’m mot a secret scotland love, I like the scots and I like to visit now and again but love is a strong word like hate and I don’t hate anyone
July 9th, 2010 at 9:44 pmIt’s the same answer to 1314 on this post as on the other, keep putting question marks at the end of a post and thats a question, which being a polite person, I always answer. Anyone who knows me, knows just how ridiculous your comments about me hating and fearing anyone are. I think you use these words too much, perhaps you are exactly what you claim others to be!
July 10th, 2010 at 7:36 amWhat we the English conteributors to these posts must remember, is that it’s the Welsh Assembly thats saying Scotlands subsidy is way over the top. When a country that’s having so much pushed into it by The Barnett Formula, thinks Scotland is getting too much should trouble us greatly.
I would suggest that we all should write to our MPs and Eric Pickles, when Billythe Scot sends in his post saying what a wonderful world it is ignore him and carry on writing!
July 10th, 2010 at 7:53 amWasn’t me who started on about hate in the first place Stuart, so perhaps best if you turn that spotlight back on yourself and again, stopped trying to put words in my mouth.
No need to respond to this post though – I shan’t be coming back to visit these pages as I can’t really see much more than whingeing and whining about how hard done by some people feel about certain issues. Until the CEP can focus on its aims rather than these trivialities then I can’t see them actually achieving them. Face it – to the vast majority of people, this is a small group of small minded and petty individuals who could, but are not, achieve great things. AS usual, it will be left to Welsh and Scots nationalists to try and break up the union, after which, i fully expect to hear the CEP talk about what THEY have done to get an independent parliament for their country.
July 10th, 2010 at 12:26 pmbye then
July 10th, 2010 at 8:14 pmBILLYFROMSCOTLAND here Stuart, for the last time as well “oh what a wonderful world we live in – not!” If so this website would not be here then claiming for an English Parliament.
A wee word of advice I don’t think there was a websitededicated to Scotish Devolution pre-devolution days. If there was then I didn’t know about it.
If you want to be taken seriously by the English electrolate is this, don’t lie about your northern neighbours political issues that you read about in the English media especially The Daily Mail or The Sun etc. Trying living uphere or visiting us as we would welcome you all with open arms. I think if you visited Scotland more often you would see a totally different side to us.
Ok bye to you all for the final time. I hope you all reach your aims in a respectful and decent way.
To England with love,
FROM BILLY THE SCOT
July 11th, 2010 at 6:15 pmtoodledoo
July 11th, 2010 at 7:06 pm“Remember 1314″ (personally, I only remember as far back as 1963) wrote: Just helping out with the small print tho’ Stuart – David Cameron DOES have some Scottish heritage, I fully concede that, however, he also has English, German and Middle European Heritage.
Um, I think all Scots and English and Welsh folk are a genetic jumble, from various sources.
We’re talking about nationality and national loyalty here, not genes – the English/Scots/Welsh are not races.
David Cameron appears to be as jingoistically Scottish as any Scot could possibly be, when he makes comments like this:
Apparently some of his ancestors:
“…were Scottish Empire builders – conquered all sorts of parts of India, I think”.
YUCK!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/1572058/David-Cameron-flies-the-flag-for-Britain.html
July 12th, 2010 at 12:18 pmI am glad Cameron sees himself as English, Welsh and Scottish, too many Prime Ministers in the past have been Anglo-centric. I think this might be the reason why we are in the mess we are in, Scotland and Wales have been neglected by us for too long whilst we have been absorbed too much in English imperialism.
July 12th, 2010 at 12:35 pmToo many Prime Ministers have been Anglo-centric? Like Winston Churchill, you mean, who said:
“There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is England.”
Forgotten and almost forbidden word… England… and that was decades ago!
And English imperialism? ENGLISH imperialism? Despite the fact that Scotland bankrupted itself in a colonial project before its great and good decided to leap into bed with England, and its people were then disproportionately active in the BRITISH Empire?
July 12th, 2010 at 12:53 pmLike Gordon Brown you mean Steve? He’s the reason for the mess we are in and in case you had forgotten, he’s Scottish and he represents a Scottish constituency!!
July 12th, 2010 at 1:51 pmSpineless Steve,
Still waitng for your details to sue you!
July 12th, 2010 at 2:38 pmWe have a long way to go as English nationalists to catch up with Scotland and Wales, at the moment the whole movement seems to be a group of petty squabblers. I despair of England sometimes but I still believe that a new non-racist, multi-cultural England is possible.
July 13th, 2010 at 7:17 amI usually ignore trollish remarks but set aside your prejudices and put your energy for a better, inclusive, tolerant England. This is what I am working for.
July 13th, 2010 at 7:50 amThe reason England has a larger immigrant population is because it is non racist, unlike other countries which will never be multi-cultured because they are overly nationalistic. You are confusing nationalism with the right and desire to have a parliament which is representative of it’s people. This is the reason you continually bring up matters which are not relevant to that aim.
July 13th, 2010 at 8:00 amI notice in another post that you used the word “troll” in trying to promote your anti English racism. You are the main troll on this site and every regular contributor knows it. You are becoming desperate. Try saying something positive and you may be listened to until then expect to be treated with contempt.
I don’t believe that Steve is confusing anything Booby Boyce, he’s just a spineless piece of work that would do anything to make us look all that he would like us to look, he has an agenda.
I do agree, though that he is getting desperate.
I have now, over the years met quite a few members of the Campaign for an English Parliament and have yet to meet a racist amongst them. I expect that he is really a closet racist himself!
July 13th, 2010 at 11:30 amYes Stuart Eeels, I agree. The UN convention on the matter of racism specifically includes discrimination against nations. I think he is running close to the wind on this one.
Here’s an extract from Wikipedia,
“…any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.”
July 13th, 2010 at 12:15 pmI like Bobby Boyce, I like, I may even include some of it when it gets to the Information Commissioner with our Freedom of Informat Request after the Cabinet Office carries out it’s internal review.
July 13th, 2010 at 6:16 pmGood luck in that, you will need it because as we know, we are living in a fundamentally undemocratic country which does not adhere to the basic democratic principle of accountability. You will probably lose and the decision has no doubt already been made. They will dot the Is and cross the Ts, it will all go through due process and be a complete whitewash as usual. No wonder there is a crisis of confidence in government, it’s undemocratic, everyone but the government and politicians aided by the paid off media knows it. It’s sad.
July 14th, 2010 at 9:24 pmThere is still a great divide in England, just look at this from the Daily Mail. Why is our country so divided? And why are so many English people in the south so prejudiced against northern England. Do we have any unity?
July 14th, 2010 at 9:34 pmhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1294652/Great-British-divide–325-000-beach-hut-sale-South-bed-terrace-North-goes-auction-10-000.html
What has the price of a house got to do with your nasty twisted view of the world. It’s called market value plain and simple. The house is in the wrong place and nobody, not even the Northerners will pay any more for it.
July 14th, 2010 at 9:42 pmBut of course wide variations in house prices occur in most countries. Perhaps you should try to provoke some positive comments on why there is a disparity between the North and south and that this also occurs in other countries. Maybe you could give us some insight into how we persuade businesses to move to the North of England and indeed Scotland and Wales. I think if you did so it would be most helpful. But we all know that you will simply continue to bury any sensible comments with your remarks.
But to keep the conversation going here’s an article which is in some way relevant to this thread. It deals with the inability, or unwillingness, of the devolved powers in Scotland to create better conditions for their citizens.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/scotland/7888795/Scots-should-forget-about-flying-the-flag-and-fix-their-nation.html
To keep the thread going I repeat below what I said when our local Troll interrupted us. This was in reply to comment 42.
Good luck in that, you will need it because as we know, we are living in a fundamentally undemocratic country which does not adhere to the basic democratic principle of accountability. You will probably lose and the decision has no doubt already been made. They will dot the Is and cross the Ts, it will all go through due process and be a complete whitewash as usual. No wonder there is a crisis of confidence in government, it’s undemocratic, everyone but the government and politicians aided by the paid off media knows it. It’s sad.
July 14th, 2010 at 11:15 pmYes Bobby Boyce, I know I will need good luck in the endeavour on behalf of the CEP but what I have got is a bullishness to keep going and I will.
Today I am meeting the Editor of The Gazette and Herald, a weekly paper covering Wiltshire in the hope of him doing an acticle about it, knowing that the nationals monitor The Gazette for stories.
July 15th, 2010 at 8:18 amSpineless Steve,
Well well, you must spend every waking hour looking to create mischief! what in the Lords name has house prices got to do with the undemocratic stitcth up of England?
Still waiting for your details.
July 15th, 2010 at 8:25 amWell done Stuart Eels, I admire your stalwart attitude.
July 15th, 2010 at 10:33 amStevie, you keep popping up, then disappearing again.
I’m worried that you haven’t seem my posts regarding the wonderful behaviour of the England fans after they were knocked out the WC.
Did you see them? I’m confused why you haven’t joined the congratulations. Would you like me to post them again?
July 15th, 2010 at 4:30 pm“Steve” – your attempts at a hidden agenda, your artificial hand-wringing, are a joke. You talk nonsense.
Nobody is convinced by you.
And just in case you accuse me of being bigoted against trolls, let me confess here and now:
I simply can’t stick ‘em.
Such a waste of space.
July 15th, 2010 at 4:48 pm