The Campaign for an English Parliament is urging all English patriots to resist the urge to take down their flags after England’s disappointing performance against Germany and show the world that we are not a country of part time patriots.
There is more to England than its football team, more to be proud of than making it into the final 16 of the world cup and more to be disappointed about than losing 4-1 to Germany. It’s time for the part time patriots to become full time patriots and leave their flags up and celebrate England every day, not just once every couple of years.
England is for life, not just for football.
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In the interests of combating climate change it seems a website has been set up for anyone who wants to recycle their England flags
June 28th, 2010 at 1:52 pmhttp://www.recyclethis.co.uk/20100616/how-can-i-reuse-upcycle-or-recycle-synthetic-england-flags
Do you think that our defeat this time will encourage demands for the England team to be replaced with a UK or Britain team? Perhaps the Government will take the opportunity of us doing so humiliatingly bad to push through such a change
There is an article here that suggests Englishness is a racial brand, and British is cultural. And that it’s time to replace English aggression with open, generous British unity, before it’s too late.
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/public-accounts/2010/06/british-football-english
I do not support the “Ingerland” side. Now it’s time to abolish it, not because it is rubbish (though it is) but for the sake of the Union. The flag of St George flies over Downing Street – buy how long will it remain?
June 28th, 2010 at 1:56 pmIf, as Cecil Rhodes claimed, to be English is to have “won first prize in the lottery of life”, it doesn’t much feel like that during the World Cup. It isn’t just the leering, the inane and pointless aggression, the cheap English lager, the “funny” hats, songs and dancing and the pale, parochial, howling lack of worldliness and cultural refinement displayed by “our” fans.
Still, I digress. The reason I do not support England has nothing to do with its abilities, dire though these are (I will be very surprised indeed if the team gets any further than the quarter-final in South Africa). No, it is because there is no logic at all in its existence.
We all belong — for now at least — to the United Kingdom. There is a “Team GB” British side in the Olympics. So why not in international football?
Englishness is ultimately, alas, a racial brand. Britishness, on the other hand, is cultural. Most second-generation — or even, dare it be said, first-generation — foreigners who live here can comfortably consider themselves British, but less so English.
Which is why I feel like a stranger in my own land amid the creepy mass influx of St George’s flags — by definition exclusive emblems — now prevalent in cars and house windows. And why I felt so queesy at the Prime Minister David Cameron’s populist decision to fly the red-and-white flag over Downing Street during England’s (albeit limited) “campaign”.
Stevie, did you cut and paste all that by yourself?
Who’s a clever boy?!
June 28th, 2010 at 3:46 pm“Do you think that our defeat this time will encourage demands for the England team to be replaced with a UK or Britain team? Perhaps the Government will take the opportunity of us doing so humiliatingly bad to push through such a change
They didn’t push for it when Scotland and Wales did even worse, so I doubt your dream of team GB will succeed.
Besides I wouldn’t want to replace the inclusive, progressive, civic English brand, with one that reminds me of empire and sectarian violence in Scotland and N Ireland
June 28th, 2010 at 3:52 pmTerry
They didn’t push for it when Scotland and Wales did even worse, so I doubt your dream of team GB will succeed.
As with other facets of life in the UK, things only seem to change when the majority call for it, and the majority of people in the UK live in England. With your national team being such a complete and utter shambles, I can imagine more calls from South of Hadrian’s Wall for a Team GB to be considered for the World Cup. After all, Scottish, English, Welsh and Northern Irish sportsmen and women compete together in other International Sporting events such as the Summer and Winter Olympics etc, so why not football?
Or are you, as I suspect the majority of suppoprters of the CEP are, really so bitter and full of hate towards the other nations that make up the United Kingdom that you would rather see England continue to fail in the same way Scotland does than see Great Britian do well?
June 28th, 2010 at 4:28 pmSteve/”Remember 1314″,
You silly little man, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all compete as soveriegn nations in Football and at the Commonwealth Games.
I suggest you get your facts right, there will never be calls from South of Hadrian’s Wall to form such a team. All true England Football supporters would never want to combine with the other UK nations for obvious reasons. I doubt if 2% of the people driving around with their car flags could take you to Wembly or any of the English Football grounds.
I feel no bitterness or hate for the peoples of the other UK nations you silly man, any such feelings within the CEP are a figment of your fevered imagination! You should lock yourself in a dark room and give yourself a stern talking to, along with your other guises of Englishmuslim/Englander etc!
June 28th, 2010 at 5:14 pmI can imagine more calls from South of Hadrian’s Wall for a Team GB to be considered for the World Cup.
You’ve not spent much time down south if you believe this
Or are you, as I suspect the majority of suppoprters of the CEP are, really so bitter and full of hate towards the other nations that make up the United Kingdom
You’ve not spent much time on these boards if you believe this
June 28th, 2010 at 5:52 pmI’ll admit that, short of a a couple of trips to Cornwall with the family (lovely place, lovely people) and a few long weekends in London with the good lady 1314 (Too many people, not enough open spaces, but so much to do and a great selection of live music venues) my time South of Hadrian’s wall is limited to a pleasant refit in Appledore’s shipyard on the Tyne (Great strippers, don’t tell the missus) so I’ll defer to your superior knowledge, but I can see a benefit in having a UK team – there’s a chance that there might be a Scotland player (Darren Fletcher, just possibly) included in the squad, and we might even get a Scottish Manager to take the job on (Ferguson, in my dreams, but he workled marvels for us up at Aberdeen)
And no, I’ve not spent much time on these forums, I only became aware of this site after reading that someone within the CEP had gone running to teacher like a 5 year old girl with a skinned knoee because they didn’t like the ABE t-shirts.
June 28th, 2010 at 6:30 pmNow I’ve found it a great place to annoy the fuck out of Stuart (nice Scottish spelling by the way) Eels
And if anyone has an old Georges Cross they don’t want anymore, pass it this way, I’m running low on tissues
June 28th, 2010 at 6:33 pmsteve obviously you know heehaw about football with that statement
stu eels
lets have team gb (football) for the london olympics,oops forgot scotland didnt want anything to do with it for good reasons and i seem to remember getting alot of flac on this web site about it,bbc had phone ins about it.so where did the info no one in england wants this
as with a lot of people on these pages you make it up as you go
ps
June 28th, 2010 at 8:25 pm1314
you forgot craig gordon england would love a good goalie
Nice to see that Steve/”remember 1314″ revert to type, if you are trying to annoy the **** out of me, sorry you aren’t, you are just showing yourself for what you are.
Clyde, the novel suggestion for team GB was put forward by people, who know zit about football and are trying to build up the Games in London.
By the way, they are the UK games, I take it that people like Chris Hoy will be competing for the UK?
When the Premier League in the guise of Phil Gartside, his side Bolton Wanderers, millions in debt, tried to include Celtic and Rangers, who are desperate to get the ENGLISH CASH as they are up the creek without a paddle, English People showed what they thought. Hence they continue to play in the Scottish Premier League against sides that don’t attact crowds any higher than my club, which is in League One, says it all. I wait for the earthy insults to come flying in!
June 29th, 2010 at 6:36 amStuart Eels, for the record, my name’s Colin
In my opinion, and that of supporters of every other team on Scotland outside of the Old firm (R*ngers & C*ltic), they can go, we’ll help them pack, but I would never wish to see them go straight into the Premiership, I’d far rather they went into the old fourth division, I can’t remember off the top of my head, and work their way up the leagues on merit, I reckon they might be good enough to get into the Championship after a few years, however, this is not a forum on my opinions regarding the state of the Scottish game, such as it is.
June 29th, 2010 at 6:57 amIt may, however, help to highlight the ignorance that is prevalent south of the border about all things Scottish.
We share the same aims you and I Stuart, and I cannot for the life of me understand why it is you seemingly feel so threatened by Scottish nationalists. You should embrace us, work with us, plan a strategy with us, to try and further your goal of an Independant English Parliament, not carp and snipe. The anti-ABE campaign sickened a lot of Scots when a lot of them would, like me, love to see the dissolution of the union
The anti-ABE campaign sickened a lot of Scots.
well the ABE campaign has sickened a lot of English people in the first place.
June 29th, 2010 at 9:41 am1314 wrote ” if anyone has an old Georges Cross they don’t want anymore, pass it this way, I’m running low on tissues”
1314, after Sunday we need ALL the tissues we can get
June 29th, 2010 at 9:48 amSteve’s back and things have gone downhill again.
World Cup 2010
Scotland – Failed
Wales – Failed
England – Qualified
Slovenia – Qualified (population 2 million)
Wearers of the t-shirt “Anyone but England” – real meaning “I’m a Failure”.
June 29th, 2010 at 10:19 amRemember 1314,
We don’t want them either! As for feeling threatened by the Scottish Nationalists, find me a comment by any English person on these pages that feels threatened by the Scottish nationalists, let me know when you have stopped sniping and carping.
June 29th, 2010 at 1:12 pmSteve ‘Do you think that our defeat this time will encourage demands for the England team to be replaced with a UK or Britain team?’
Can’t see the point of that Steve. What would adding players from rubbish teams like Scotland and Wales do to enhance performance? I’ve a better idea. Why not let the Celtic nations get together and form a Celtic team, pooling their limited talents. Bit of a long shot of course as no hopers like Scotland and Wales (has Wales ever qualified for anything?)probably would not produce anything more than a 10th rate Celtic team.
June 29th, 2010 at 1:13 pmIt is interesting to compare the failure of constant failure of Scotland and Wales to get to the World cup finals with countries like Portugal who normally qualify.
Comment by “Remember 1314”
“And if anyone has an old Georges Cross they don’t want anymore, pass it this way, I’m running low on tissues”
I’m sure you are running low 1314, given that you are full of crap!
June 29th, 2010 at 1:18 pmMy English flags are still flying and they are staying there…One of them is placed in my front garden out of harms way, so it does not course any danger to anyone and its all been done by using the rules of flag flying…I don’t need the rules to say I have the right to fly my flag… Now I know the rules, anyone telling me to move my flag(s) for any reason, will be told to F@@KOFF.
June 29th, 2010 at 11:51 pmDavid Miliband is saying that he wants Labour to REVIVE “ENGLISHNESS”. In the same article he rules out an English Parliament, nor does he seem to want to do anything about immigration. So what he is saying is we will use words like “English” for the sake of gaining votes but will do nothing in reality. The past 13 years of Labour lies and half truths is set to continue but at least it opens the door for people to question the motives of a party that has done more to damage the English identity than any other political party in history.
Here’s the link.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hRmVcH9lHsg8yAVwWxmuF2qVi2Xw
July 1st, 2010 at 8:42 amHere’s another article on the subject. Note what is said,
“Labour needs a revived politics of Englishness rooted in a radical and democratic account of nationhood. We need to draw upon a specifically English story that points to the battle for social justice born of a proud tradition of personal liberty and independence – as resentful of corporate elites as meddling bureaucracy.”
The man talks about “nationhood”. How is it possible to define a nation in these terms, to talk about “democracy”, when he denies the basic principles of democracy to that nation.
http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2010/07/lost-english-england-labour
July 1st, 2010 at 9:05 am“Remember 1314″ My dear fellow countryman , how are you? You are right when you say all the things about Stuart Eels. You type something on these boards and he tries to twist things to say you are saying the complete opposite of what you say. You are exactly right as they having ben telling nothing but a load of trash and lies about Scotland being better off than the English nation. You and I know differently that isn’t the case. There is poverty all over the UK and that needs to be addressed. It doesn’t mean that the UK needs to be split up, but the real issues that affect the people is their job security in both public and private sector, people losing their homes because of unemployment and not being able to pay their mortgage. Then there is a real cut in public services effecting both schools , hospitals, elderly disabled, benefits being scrapped and meanstested to the hilt when theres no jobs. The English voted for the return of the Tories set to destroy Britain and take away everything from the poorest in our society. The solution to the problem isn’t breaking up the UK but it might just come to that if things get really bad. The problem isn’t whether which flag you fly or what team you support , its adressing the real bread and butter issues. We fought together in two world wars and we are in it together with Iraq and Afghanistan , we have people who live and work in both sides of the border, Scots living in England and English living in Scotland. On football banter betwen the Scots & English it is only banter nothing else but you do get the idiots that take it far too seriously. We know the English football commentators heads are right up their arses when they think England Expects, but the Scotland Team ain’t all that bloody brillant either. Yet I go to Hampden as a true Scot with the Kilt and my Scotland Top and support my team no matter what the outcome will be. I took a trip down south of the border to Carlisle and Newcastle late on Sunday evening to gloat at them but i just felt sorry for them and they should have got that goal that was disallowed. But I was a wee bit shocked at the amount of St Georges Crosses I found on the Northern part of Berwick Upon Tweed so near the Scottish Border. I thought this was the town that really and truly wanted to be Scottish again. I am all or Berwick Upon Tweed top return to Scotland and see it happen before my dying day. If Only Halidon Hill was flat and marshy then it would have been a different story end and it would be in Scottish hands now. I see why no reason why it can’t be returned under Scottish Rule after all we in the UK and the London government always ignores it. You see it’s never been a part of England until it was fully annexed into Northumbria in 1974. It was part of The English realm but not within it. So where was it then yes it remained a part of scottish soil under English administration. It was taken off the Scottish Nation by Force Engl;and meddling in our own domestic affairs like they always had done as we were a small nation suppressed by our much larger southern neighbour who tried their best to conquer us and turn Scotland into England but they failed.The reason why we wanted a Scottish devolved parliament was to readdress this issue within the Union to stop having anti scottish issues invented and forced upon us by the English. Now they hate it when Gordon Brown was in charge, but we had Thatcher and her alien policies to put up with for 18 years. I used to be a SNP voter many years ago but I am quite happy with devolution because Scotland needed that Parliament, now England needs its own parliament. But we also need to address other issues like poverty etc not getting carried away with patriotism and narrow minded nationalism from both sides of the border. And that includes all the lies said about Scotland!
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 amOh Dear Oh Dear, Billy you are being a silly Billy aren’t you. The last time I looked it was The SNP administration of the Scottish Parliamentthat is going to put forward an Independence Referendum. We can’t do that because we don’t have a Parliament Billy. It is the attitude of people like you and Remember 1314 that is convincing more and more English people to want to breakup the UK.
Yes we had 18 years of Tory rule, you seem to forget that John Major won an election but then, God help us, we got the Scottish coven of Blair, Brown and Reid. Who brought the country to it’s knees, any more of your scottish brand of socialism and we would be Greece in disguise. After all those years of empty boasts, education, education, we have the University of Sheffield reporting that one in five teenagers are now leaving school illiterate and innumerate, gee thanks guys!
Don’t preach to me about our servicemen buddy! my cousin’s son is on his third tour of duty in Afghanistan now in a war that the wallies in Westminister never learn from history about!
July 2nd, 2010 at 6:59 amBloody hell Billy, don’t they teach you how to use paragraphs up there?
Anyway, how can you use so many words without making a single point? Or, at least a point backed by an independent source.
The only point I think you try to make is that ” The English voted for the return of the Tories…” and they are ” set to destroy Britain….
I can’t disagree with that assertion, but let’s look at the facts…
2005 A small majority in England voted for the Conservatives. Result: Labour
2010 A massive majority in England voted for the Conservatives. Result: Hung Parliament
Hardly seems fair does it Billy?
PS where is Stevie. I’m worried about him. I know he was desperate to hear about England’s fans exemplary behaviour, but since I posted an example he seems to have gone AWOL…
July 2nd, 2010 at 7:44 amBilly From Scotland ‘We fought together in two world wars ‘. Not in a World Cup though!!
We fought in a two World War with the USA. We wouldn’t want to be part of the USA would we? Or France or countless other countries. Scotland has become a foreign country to many English. Of course we knew that when the English decided that they wanted no more to do with Scotland than any other European country the Scottish wouldn’t like it. Well its happening Billy and about time too!
“But I was a wee bit shocked at the amount of St Georges Crosses I found on the Northern part of Berwick Upon Tweed so near the Scottish Border. I thought this was the town that really and truly wanted to be Scottish again”.
Errr why would they want to join Scotland? The anti English media tried a little while ago to say that the people of Berwick Upon Tweed wanted to be part of Scotland. Just confirms how the media are purveyors of mis information!
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:25 amThey concentrated on the fact that Scottish people living close to Berwick On Tweed get better public services and that people would be better off in Scotland. What they didn’t ask of course is why the Scottish get better public services. The media should have taken a look at the issue of an English Government. They didn’t of course. Too biased and or too lazy!
Hey Stuart Eels you know nothing about Scots football so leave it out.By the way Celtic fc are not in financial difficulty so get yer facts right mate.Rangers on the other hand,well that’s another story.Stick to political comment.If the SNP can get a referendum bill through the Scots parliament then at the moment it looks like England’s best chance of independence.Sadly the Scots are split on that one.But i’ll be doing my best to persuade them to go for it.
July 2nd, 2010 at 10:00 amKip Kane,
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:14 amGood luck in your quest I wish you every success, I know that BOTH Celtic and Rangers have for years been trying to get into the English Premier Pal!
Best of luck persuading your fellow Scots.
Why don’t you campaign for the vote to be extended to include England?
You’d romp home if you did.
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:16 pmBilly, please use paragraphs I actually wanted to read what you had to say but it played havoc with my dyslexic tendencies.
July 2nd, 2010 at 3:36 pmTerry, I wrote the blog without paragraphs for the reason I was up late and feling a bit tired. i think I made a few points actually.
Stuart there you go again. Stop the silly billy remarks thats so old fashioned it went out with Noah’s ark. Just like your extreme views on Scotland. If and when Scotland does go independent then it will be totally up to her people (the majority) in a proper referrudum or the SNP win the majority of Scottish seats in a General Election. Until then it remains firmly within the UK. No one else will make us or tell us differently. As for England they can make their own mind too. I hope their get their own Parliament. But I don’t think the majority of the English want to break up the UK neither do the Scots, Welsh or Northern Ireland. The CEP have only just over 100 followers on facebook which does not speak for all English People.
As I have stated before things are fine as being part of The UK, so have your devolved Parliament. For fairness the Parliamentary system at Westminster badly needs reformed. It is supposed to be now on the cards. I am all for it. But to me breaking up the UK is an absolute no-no. Both sides of the border would be worse off and you will end up paying different prices for goods and much higher prices for goos that are imported and exported. So it would be completely mad to go down that route unless things within the Union got that bad theres no other option.
July 2nd, 2010 at 3:38 pmBlair, Brown and Dr John reid are men who I have and will continously have all respect for. they brought prosperity unlike Osborne’s Budget Speech which will bring total misery to millions of poor people in this country for the next 5 years. The same old tories only with the turncoat LibDems . You treat Scots as a inferior race and you drop Labour and Gordon Brown for these twats that are currently in power yet it was the banks and their greed that caused the financial mess we are in. Just wait until you lose your job , your home and everything else then you will be screaming to have the liokes of Gordon Brown back as Prime Minister for Great Britain. The thing that is wrong with you people is that you don’t know where your bread is buttered!
July 2nd, 2010 at 3:47 pmNo problem Matt I understand! LOL!
July 2nd, 2010 at 3:49 pmBilly this is the Campaign for an English Parliament and the issue around Reid and Brown is that they were elected in Scotland but exercised power in matters which are solely English.
July 2nd, 2010 at 5:19 pmDr Reid, who has a PhD in a history subject I believe, was even Sec of State for English Health for a period!
Whether or not they were or were not good for prosperity etc. is not the issue. The CEP is non party political and if you read posts here you will find that most of us have very little if any time for any of the Unionist politicians of whatever party!
Until such time as we have an English First Minister English Executive and English Parliament no one ELECTED in Scotland will be acceptable as PM.If an Englishman was elected as MP for a Scottish constituency he would be equally unacceptable. Its a matter of democratic accountability !
Brown could legitimately return as UK PM only when power on English matters has been devolved to an English Executive!
Personally I prefer independence.
So what was Thatcher then a woman MP elected in England that precided over Scottish affairs?
July 2nd, 2010 at 5:38 pmThe fact is Labour are British and unionist party that where working for all of Britain for the benefit for all of Britain not just England or Scotland. Nationality of the MPs had bugger all to do with it.
July 2nd, 2010 at 5:40 pmAbsolute bull, Derek, an Englishman can come to Scotland stand as a MP member of a party or as an independent. If he stands in a English constituency then no he has a say because he is not a Scots MP. I don’t want to see Scots MPS having a say in English affairs but we need to have Scots and English and Welsh and Northern Ireland discussing UK affairs. DFavid Cameron is an English MP and Prime Minister yet what he says and does will have a profound effect on what happens oin Scotland because we are still part of the UK. If england gets a devolved parliament then why do you want to go further and break up the UK? It is going to hit you hard in the pocket if that happens when you go to the same supermarkets as we have here you will pay differences in prices and you will endanger the pound sterling..
July 2nd, 2010 at 5:47 pmBilly from Scotland,
Proper respect man! no more Silly Billy, that is until you start putting word into my mouth pal!
Point out to me any extreme views I’ve stated on Scotland, I always try to be fair to the Scots, I mean I’ve Rafa and Murray on Radio Five now, Come on RAFA!
I don’t support the Tories either pal but this budget had to correct 13 years of profligate spending by Blair Brown and Darling! Most of it wasted according to the Treasuary now. Tell me who was the wally who said our operations in Afghanistan was a mere tiding-up task? Why it was that Stateman Dr Reid! Tell the families of the over 300 dead military since then pal.
Now isn’t that better pal, behave yourself and show respect and I might give it to you!
July 2nd, 2010 at 6:04 pmYou show some respect too Stuart and I will return it to you. I thought Labour Spending was much more fairer than the tories. So its the banks i think that put in this mess not labour.
July 2nd, 2010 at 6:55 pmBilly from Scotland ‘Nationality of the MPs had bugger all to do with it’.
Of course it has nothing to do with it. That’s what I was saying. Read my post again!
There was a little thing called the Scotland Act in 1998 which paved the way for the Scottish Parliament.
I’m sure you know that Margaret Thatcher’s PM ship ended in 1990 before the Scotland Act. She was PM of the UK with responsibility for the same matters in all of the UK. In 1998 (do I really need to explain this to you?) the Scotland Act effectively set up the Scottish Parliament and that time on the UK PM was not responsible for much of what happens in Scotland. From that time education, health,local gov and many other things became the reponsibility of the Scottish government. If Thatcher had been PM at that time, she would have no responsibilty for these matters. Of course there was no England Act and so England continues to be ruled by the UK Parliament in its entirety. Therefor when Scottish MP Brown became PM he was responsible for matters in England that Thatcher would not have been responsible for in Scotland. That’s it!
Why do I want England to be independent? Because I cannot find one reason why it shouldn’t be . I don’t accept the wooly ‘we are all stronger together’ argument. England has a population of 50 million plus and we don’t need S W and NI! England should be responsible for her own affairs, raise and spend her own taxes etc.etc.
July 2nd, 2010 at 8:30 pmI’m also fed up with being told how many Scottish people do not like us. Well you know what. The feeling is reciprocated.
Billy from Scotland,
There you go again Pal, you come on here accusing me of twisting your words, you accuse me of telling nothing but a load of trash and lies, of having extreme views about Scotland and when I say show everybody on here where I have said and done such things you ignore my request and have another pop about something else.
It’s about time you grew up pal, we in England have never been allowed to have a referendum, indeed The Great Leader Brown stood up in his early days as unelected Premier and told a Scottish Labour MP that he would have no truck with Scottish MPs losing any of their powers!
When you come on this site do you not see that it’s The Campaign for an English Parliament site.
Our base is not on facebook, it’s here and its considerably more members than the 100 you quote from facebook.
Still waiting for you to speak plainly and show responses to my earlier requests pal.
Everytime you,Remember1414,Steve/Englander/englishmuslim make one of your comments it gives me a push toward the view, that I most certainly didn’t hold a year ago and that perhaps it’s time to call an end to the Union!
July 2nd, 2010 at 8:55 pmBILLYFROMSCOTLAND the CEP is party apolitical, so I won’t engage in any pro/anti Labour arguments, except where it reflects England’s democratic deficit.
Thatcher was the UK PM back when we all had equal rights and her policies affected her constituents as much as anyone else. There were cases where her policies were introduced in Scotland ahead of England because the Scottish Secretary insisted that “Scotland shouldn’t have to wait for England” (eg Poll Tax)
Brown was the UK PM and he was NOT accountable to ANY electorate (English or Scottish) for such essential matters as Health, Education, Crime,Social Policy, etc, etc. His constituents were NOT affected by the policies he steered through the House.
Some of his legislation was voted down by MPs returned by those it affected… yet it was carried by a significant number of MPs sitting in the House who carry no mandate on such matters.
This situation was created by the constitutional meddling of the people you show such respect for. When the UK breaks up, you’ll be able to draw a straight line to 1998 and these clowns.
July 3rd, 2010 at 7:34 amDoes anyone know why the English Democrats are campaigning for a Welsh Parliament in the Welsh Assembly when there is already going to be a referendum in Wales next year? And does anyoen know why the English Democrats are questioning whether Plaid Cymru are a serious nationalist party when Plaid Cymru have one MEP, three MPs, 13 Assembly Members and 207 local councillors whilst the English Democrats are still seen as an enormous joke or a complete irrelevance by the English? Do we deserve the English Democrats here in England? Does English nationalism deserve something better? It is almost as if the English Democrats were created to ridicule English nationalism and undermine our cause.
July 4th, 2010 at 10:17 amSteve, where have you been? We’ve all been worried because about you.
Anyway, you probably haven’t seen my earlier post that was addressed to you, so I’ll repeat it here…
With depressing predictability, our newspapers and TVs were not covered with the imagery of England fans peacefully going home after crashing out of the world cup.
Despite losing to our greatest rival; despite being an un-segregated game; and despite the England fans massively outnumbering the opposition’s: there was no trouble in South Africa. This exemplary behavior was echoed throughout the pubs and parks of England, where tens (100s?) of thousands accepted defeat with disappointment and good grace.
The BBC chose to show the briefest footage of 150 England fans staying behind in SA to build a changing room for SA orphans. This building will mean the kids can now compete in their local league. The image of an English flag flying from the scaffolding of an orphanage in a South African township presented a wonderful counter icon to those who disgracefully attempt to associate it with right wing groups.
Stevie, don’t you think this is a heart-warming tale? I know you’re proud already, but aren’t you even prouder than ever to call yourself “English”?
Come on Stevie, join me in the celebrations
July 4th, 2010 at 12:18 pmI know you were desperately looking for something positive to come out of the WC and here it is. Isn’t it fantastic?
Well Steve, if you and others would care to sign up for a party that promotes England then maybe things would change. Instead you pretend to be English and at every opportunity junk anything which is done by the English. Anything negative is labeled English, anything positive is labeled Welsh.
July 4th, 2010 at 12:19 pmI hope the English Democrats are successful in Wales, hopefully it will turn out to be a short cut to English independence. I can’t wait.
And Germany beat Argentina, wow, I hope that does not upset too many people. Anyone but Argentina, oops, Anyone but Germany err, um. Oh dear what to do. Well let’s settled for just anyone but anyone.
July 4th, 2010 at 12:24 pmSteve I think people are questioning whether PC are a serious nationalist party because they seem to have gone very limp on independence for Wales. The ED’s however have never said they want English independence to my knowledge. As for the ED’s standing in Monmouthshire. Why not? They are entitled to do so if they so wish. After all they have a valid argument. Let the people decide. While I’m on the point of letting the people decide, let England have a referndum for an English Parliament. Unfortunately our corrupt politicians won’t allow that.
July 4th, 2010 at 2:55 pmSpineless Steve,
I’m still waiting for you to give your details so that I can sue you for libel!
In answer to your latest anti-English post. In case you haven’t noticed this Site is The Campaign for an English Parliament and not The English Democrats, I suggest you direct your query there.
I am not a member of The English Democrats, so I feel free to say that a Party, ED, that has only been up and running for a few years, funded only by members has done rater well to pick up 64,826 votes at the last election, whereas Plaid Cymru, operating for decades only picked up 165,394 votes. In what way have The English Democrats undermined your cause? don’t pretend to in any way support an English Parliament.
July 5th, 2010 at 1:05 pmHey Derek and Stuart, don’t have a go at Stevie!
He’s genuinely looking for something positive about “Englishness”. Let him join in our celebration of England’s fans’ glorious showing at the last WC.
I’ve shown him the evidence, so let’s give him space to be proud before we go off subject.
Come on Stevie, we’re all ears mate!
July 5th, 2010 at 9:49 pmHere’s a good article from the Flaming Sword on Milibands attempt to con the English that he really does care about England and not just our votes.
http://byrnsweord.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/beware-the-abundance-of-pseudo-englishness/
There is a link to “Left Futures”, “The best that’s left in Labour. The article itself is pretty dreary stuff, pretending to talk about England whilst concentrating on the other countries, but it is the comment which are the most revealing, people are no longer fooled by the politicians, so there is something positive to say and that is that the “English Question” is gradually finding it’s way to the top of the agenda. Our task is to see that the politicians deal with the question in a fair way. I nearly said democratic way but democracy, as we all know does not exist in England.
http://www.leftfutures.org/2010/07/nationalism-unionism-and-englishness/
Acknowledgments are due to the Flaming Sword from which I’ve plagiarised a lot of this.
July 10th, 2010 at 1:17 pmlets just cut to the chase,jocks haven’t got the balls to vote for independence,and parliament would never offer england the chance to vote on independence from scots,welsh,n.irish.as we english would vote massively for it.end of
July 10th, 2010 at 1:35 pmCameron is now talking about a “Big Society” where Local “Communities” (I presume he means Authorities) can set up local schemes to help local communities. It’s an interesting idea and I’m sure most people would support it. But I would like to know what the extent of this is. He mentions Sutton and Cheam, Windsor and Maidenhead, Eden Valley and the City of Liverpool. All of these places are in England, is this another scheme which will be pushed through on English voters possibly with the help of one or two Lib/Con unelected MPs. Or is it a UK wide initiative. It would be nice if our new government would start to make things clear.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/david-cameron/7897445/David-Cameron-launches-his-Big-Society.html
July 19th, 2010 at 9:25 amYes, it’s an England-only thing despite Cameron using the word “Britain” in his speech about it.
July 19th, 2010 at 9:34 amHere’s a link to a BBC online article dated 16 July 2010. It seems that some commentators “may” believe the proposals include Scotland.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/richardmoss/2010/07/big_society_or_big_con_why_cum.html
As usual it’s all as clear as mud!
July 19th, 2010 at 10:08 amI think your campaign worries to much about Scotland
July 19th, 2010 at 8:36 pmterry (43)
great point re england fans but that seems to be the way the media work,their no doubt dissappointed there was no trouble,
a lot of people on this site believe all english people up here are attacked constantly
July 19th, 2010 at 8:45 pmaftre a couple of stories in the media