The Coca Cola world cup goal celebrations advert really is excellent – the song is great, the celebrations are funny (especially the Japanese player jumping backwards over the advertising hoarding) and my kids can’t wait for it to come on.
But Coca Cola seem to be a little confused judging by the flag waving at the end of the advert – they’re either confused about the difference between England and Britain or they’re confused as to which teams are competing in the world cup because the English flag is missing but the British flag is there instead.
There is no Team GB or Team UK or Team British Nations, Regions, Provinces and Crown Dependencies located in the British Isles in the world cup. In fact, until the Brits force a Team GB football team on us for the 2012 Olympics (it will only have English players as the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish FA’s won’t take part because they know it’s an attempt to replace national sides with a British team) there is no British football team and hasn’t been since 1972. So why is there a British flag instead of an English flag in Coca Cola’s advert?
We’ve asked Coca Cola to explain and we’ll let you know if they tell us!
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I predict silence. Now I see it, it jumps out at me every time I see the ad. An astonishing oversight, particularly in light of the fact that Scotland vs. England was the first ever international football match!
June 27th, 2010 at 6:22 pmIt’s a marketing and brand-association thing: as the ad is being aired across the UK, they don’t want to p*** off people watching it in Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland by associating Coca Cola with English (aspirations to) success at the World Cup. That sought of thing would be just the ticket to persuade some people to switch over to Pepsi!
June 27th, 2010 at 7:23 pmSwitch to Pepsi?
Not even if they started putting a large single Malt Whisky in it.
Still, I’m off for a pint. Anyone else 4-1?
June 27th, 2010 at 8:22 pmjust mabye they watched the 1966 game and used those english flags
June 27th, 2010 at 8:53 pm‘Remember 1314′ (good memory BTW) I have been blogging all over the place during the WC and think I understand Scotland’s problem and England’s mystification regarding your nations’ ‘issues’.
New Zealand thinks there’s a big rivalry/grudge between them and Australia. In turn, Australia wonders who NZ are, and can’t see what NZ are on about.
Similarly, Scotland’s bogeyman is England, when it comes to battling the old (auld) enemy, but your average English fan will say it’s ‘Germany’.
If you were to talk to your average German fan, their greatest enemy is Holland.
In turn, your average Dutch fan fears the Argentineans and wonder why the Germans are getting so het up.
Scotland is ‘ultra violet’ on the international football spectrum and Brazil is ‘infra red’, if it wasn’t for Scotland being in the dark.
Think about it!
June 27th, 2010 at 9:18 pmTerry – I don’t personally remember 1314, but I read a book once – you should try it. Remember 1314 is the Scottish equivalent of Remember Agincourt and I wouldn’t suggest that there’s anyone south of the border who could truthfully claim that they were there on the day.
June 27th, 2010 at 10:03 pmYou make a good point there, but there is one point you seem to have overlooked.
In Scotland, we know our team is shite – and we celebrate them for it. The media in England hype the national team to such an extent that the viewing public are blinded to the realities of the situation – The England players don’t seem to care enough about their country to give their all on the pitch.
We often hear that ‘England expects’, but i think England expects a little too much of their team, who have little to lose if they don’t win – they’ll return to their mansions and their WAGS and their £50K a week. The way the game is organised nowadays is more geared towards cash and celebrity, and until that situation changes I can’t see your national teams fortunes improving
Remember 1314 ‘In Scotland, we know our team is shite – and we celebrate them for it’
You Scottish are for ever telling us how clever the Scottish are and how we English couldn’t do without you. How Scotland has the resources to go it alone no problems.
June 28th, 2010 at 8:46 amSo why don’t you? Why does Scotland not declare independence? You are now faced with an effectively Tory government elected by us English(the Lib Dems have caved in on many issues eg VAT). The Torys only returned one MP in Scotland. Are you scared to go it alone? We know its not because you love us English. Far from it. Most English people would be more than happy to say goodbye so what is the problem?
derek..i will be 50 this month,and i have had one chance to vote independence and guess what more people voted for it than against it ,never had the chance again.
i would have thought you a cep campaigner would understand how hard it is
June 28th, 2010 at 1:28 pmwhy havnt you got an english parliment?
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Most English people would be more than happy to say goodbye so what is the problem?
how do you know this or is it just your opinion because in my opinion most english people see themselves as british and we are all the same
Derek – Most English people would be more than happy to say goodbye so what is the problem?
The problem, as far as I see it, is that the majority of English people couldn’t give a shit as long as they have their Sky dish and thier copy of “the Sun” on the dashboard of their white van.
To emphasise my point, take a look at the CEP page on facebook. It has a total of 102 members at the last count.
That’s hardly what one would refer to as an overwhelming groundswell of support now, is it?
Especially when one considers the number of members in groups such as “Blanket on – too hot, blanket off – too cold, stick one leg out – just right” which currently sports over 1million members.
If the CEP is anything more than a bunch of whingeing morons with nothing better to do with themselves than complain about the UK flag in a Coke advert, or the fact that someone was selling a t-shirt with a printed slogan on it which effectively said “I’d prefer it if someone other than England wins the world cup” they need to address the fact that they have fuck all support in their own country and effectively no-ine South of the border gives a shit about them
June 28th, 2010 at 1:58 pmSCOTLAND KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT ENGLAND,ENGLAND KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SCOTLAND
remember1314 has just hit the nail on the head
June 28th, 2010 at 8:33 pmClyde
Now now, this is not the place to be lowered to the level of others, the best way to counter rhetoric (not rettrick as I’ve read elsewhere on these pages!) like we find here is with reasoned debate. While there appears to be a good few on here who fit the white van Essex wideboy stereotype there may (and I say MAY) be one or two who can actually engage in conversation.
I would never claim to know everything about England, but I am reasonably well acquainted with Our beautiful country and her history.
All that said, I’ve just watched a fascinating programme on Channel Four about the battle of Trafalgar and the non-British sailors who fought for the Royal Navy – Couple of Frenchmen even.
Now, It’s getting late here, so I’m off to bed, another marathon shift tomorrow keeping the oil flowing and the revenues propping up the UKs ailing economy. A 300million barrel find 110 miles East of Aberdeen was announced today (which no doubt the Morris Dancers will try and claim ownership of when they draw up their version of where the maritime boudaries should lie), so I’ll be busy for a wee while yet!
June 28th, 2010 at 10:46 pmWhat Remember1314 says is true enough, and what I have been trying to say for a long time. English nationalism is a mere shadow with very little support in England, we cannot seem to realize how irrelevant English nationalism is in England. And I think the fact that many English nationalists are more anti-Scottish than pro-English shows some of the problems. We and the CEP are an irrelevance at the moment, and we must resort to some Conspiracy Theory as an excuse to explain why we are irrelevant to most of our countrymen in England, a conspiracy theory about a British government suppressing the English even though we dominate that British Government, a conspiracy theory that could be taken out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to be honest.
June 29th, 2010 at 5:41 amOh dear,
I don’t feel like getting involved but feel I must Steve/”remember 1314″, for he is the same person in my opinion, really should get his/their facts right.
When I wrote to the members of the CEP in the South West, it was an much higher figure that the one Steve/”remember 1314″ is quoting for the entire country of England!
We were congradulated by MPS at The Houses of Commons for way we conduct ourselves when we attended The House in November last year.
The last opinion poll put English support for an English Parliament at 68%.
The English Democrats, of which I am not a member polled more votes than the Welsh Nationlists at the General Election!
The only person being rude on here at the moment is Steve/”remember 1314″, read post 11 again. When you’ve lost the agruement you tend to result to offensive rubbish, well done!
June 29th, 2010 at 6:20 amSorry Stuart, you misunderstand
June 29th, 2010 at 7:00 amwhen I said ‘To emphasise my point, take a look at the CEP page on facebook. It has a total of 102 members at the last count’, what I meant was that the CEP page on Facebook has 102 members. In no way did I mean the whole of England, and nor would i suggest that. Had I meant that, I would more than likely have said it.
SCOTLAND KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT ENGLAND,ENGLAND KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT SCOTLAND
just alittle saying, how we get english/brit news on our telly,radio,papers ect everyday and english people dont get our news exept scots people attacking english,scots get more money than us ect
not a complaint a fact english people dont get the info it is not the peoples fault but the establishments fault
then people on here might just get it in each country we have good people and bad people and the majority are good
anyway 1314 thought you found more oil get your arse in gear ,the one thing we have in common is we are all skint
June 29th, 2010 at 2:17 pmClyde asked “Most English people would be more than happy to say goodbye so what is the problem?
how do you know this or is it just your opinion because in my opinion most english people see themselves as british and we are all the same”
There is evidence here that shows 59% in England want Scotland to leave the Union…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/26/nunion26.xml
June 29th, 2010 at 3:03 pmStevie, you know about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
I am impressed!
June 29th, 2010 at 3:04 pmI am impressed you have heard of it as well. Or does the CEP call it the Protocols of the Elders of Scotland? The mass Scots conspiracy to destroy England…lol.
June 29th, 2010 at 4:39 pmUpdate – Minutes of the Meeting of the Elders of Scotland
Gordon Brown: Ladies and Gentlemen, what new plans do we have to destroy England?
June 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pmAlistair Darling: Sky Sports and Walkers haven’t mentioned England in their adverts recently, and we put a little union flag in the Coca cola advert to encourage doubt in England’s national identity.
Gordon Brown: With Walkers crisps, coca cola and Sky Sports behind us, who in England can stop us now?
Private Fraser: Doomed! England are doomed, I tell you, dooooomed!
No Stevie, we call it the Scottish Claim of Right.
You know the one. It is the document that the “UK” Prime Minister, “UK” Chancellor, a host of other “UK” Cabinet members and assortment of “UK” MPs signed a solemn pledge to hold Scotland’s interests “paramount” in all their “actions and deeds”.
…even when dealing with matters that were exclusive to England.
June 29th, 2010 at 5:11 pmI don’t drink pop I drink beer and cider…Bottoms up dear fellows and a stiff upper lip…
June 30th, 2010 at 12:29 am1314 claimed ” the best way to counter rhetoric (not rettrick as I’ve read elsewhere on these pages!)”
Can you actually find such a case 1314, or are you projecting? I can’t find a single instance.
June 30th, 2010 at 12:06 pmApart from Rangers fans, a lot of Scotland & Wales don’t really like the Union flag or the idea of the UK anyway plus I saw a scarf on the TV at an England game which had the Union flag on it and the word ‘England’ alongside it so even as a Scot I would say there’s no real harm in Coca-Cola’s advert having a Union flag instead of an England flag.
June 30th, 2010 at 6:11 pmTerry
Regarding 1314′s claim, I think it was probably just hiperbowl.
June 30th, 2010 at 7:55 pmBack to the point of the headline and Union Flag.
If it was done to sell more cans of coke in Scotland by displaying a Union flag it would have backfired badly.
I suspect its just old footage, are you sure its not a clip out of the 1966 games spliced in?..
Also on the question of an English Anthem at the footy – all you guys have to do is jeer – thats how Scotland god rid of the “National Anthem” it was just drowned out – the SFA eventually got the message..
June 30th, 2010 at 9:39 pmComment by “Dalriada”
I suspect its just old footage, are you sure its not a clip out of the 1966 games spliced in?..
a said that first,stop stealin ma patter
June 30th, 2010 at 10:14 pmLiam ‘Apart from Rangers fans, a lot of Scotland & Wales don’t really like the Union flag or the idea of the UK’.
You could have fooled me Liam. Why did so many vote Labour at the last GE? Labour is a staunch UK party. Why didn’t they vote for independence? I wish they would.
June 30th, 2010 at 11:40 pmWhat’s the chances of Scotland returning an SNP government with an overall majority next year. Wouldn’t surprise me if they kicked out the SNP and put Labour back in. I hope not. Could the Lib Dems support them while in coalition in the UK?
Matt, y’all mean hyperbole, which folks a’ sayin’ll be the nu name o’ the sooper bowl once they done doin’ the extenshun!
July 1st, 2010 at 1:10 amHello, I thought I would come back a pay a little visit to your over the top website with so much over the top comments for me to read. It seemed as usual it became a bit dizzy reading the same old rubbish. The narrow mindedness of nationalism raising its ugly head again, lies and nonsense written here aboput each other’s nations. All because of a Coca Cola advert. Bloody pathetic so to say at least. As you can see the flag is beiong waved by a fan not some bloody Coke Rep or actor. Who cares if it was the Union Jack or The butchers apron as sometimes referred to.
Now I have always said that England needs it’s own Parliament either within the Uk or outside it. I prefer they had a devolved one like Scotland. David Cameron is supposed to be stopping Scots MPS a say in English affairs so there is a step in the right direction for the English people on this site.
The reason why Scots voted Labour and not independence as they thought Labour was much fairer. We have been socialists uphere for decades now and I think the English should try and take a leaf out of Scotland’s Books. If you voted Tory well HELL mend you when you lose your job, your mortgage your house your local hospital, your kids school shuts down and when the VAT at 20% starts to hit you. Because thats what you voted for down south you are the bloody idiots that voted for misery heaped upon you all for the next 5 years. Wait until you got cancer and you are refused to see a doctor because theres no money being pumped into the health service. You all brought it on yourselves you daft gits. Greed got the better of you all. Remember 1314 is absolutley right and spot on. Scotland know everything about England as England knows nothing about Scotland. Most folk that comment here in this website are following a far right winged agenda to split up the UK, well you did that at the poor folks in this country expense!!!!!
July 1st, 2010 at 3:14 pmHello BILLYFROMSCOTLAND,
thanks for your visit, didn’t read all of your comment though – have to admit I got bored after: “over the top website”. Anyway, hope you enjoyed adding your comment as much as I have enjoyed responding to it.
July 1st, 2010 at 3:48 pmPS. There do seem to be quite a few superfloss comments here though I must agree.
July 1st, 2010 at 3:52 pmI was going to say Hello Billy to see you to see you nice but changed mate and become a grumpy old Scots git!
I’m so upset! I thought that we had parted as friends! It’s not that Remember 1314 has made you jealous is it?
July 1st, 2010 at 4:32 pmNo Stuart He has not but he tells (1314) a few home truths. He doesn’t mix his words or twist other people’s comments. Now what did I say to upset you Stuart? Poor wee boy in a huff?
July 1st, 2010 at 5:13 pmThe danger of splitting up the union will mean we will all be paying more in export and import duty on food and good movements across the border, so do you really want to be like that. Scots and English and the Welsh and Northern Ireland would paying different prices for goods out of the supermarket chains. Firms like Eddie Stobbart a haulage company based in Carlisle is just less than 6 miles from the Scottish Border and they would end up paying more or losing out to contracts that they already have north of the border. Staying within the UK is the best option for us all but a devolved parliament for England would address most of English concerns.
July 1st, 2010 at 11:29 pmBilly, It was your political party that didn’t think of any of those things when giving the Scots their Parliament and finding out the hard way that it only hardened SNP demands.
Any break-up of the United Kingdom is solely down to the Labour party, the SNP and chip on shoulder Scots like you and Remember 1314!
Have a nice day.
July 2nd, 2010 at 7:05 amCan anyone tell me how England would make up the shortfall in north sea oil and gas revenue if and when Scotland decides to go it alone? Currently Scotland donates 60 billion pounds towards the London treasury which includes oil and gas duty but the Scottish government receives approx 30 billion in return.Is this what the British establishment doesn’t want the people to know? Is this a fair set up? Narrow minded SNP voters like myself think that Scotland should be a wealthy nation given that we have an abundance of natural resources.It’s only fair.
July 2nd, 2010 at 10:28 amIt all depends on how the North sea is divided. If you look at the Northern North sea then the majority is in Scottish waters but it all depends on what you mean by Scottish waters. For admin purposes it has been placed in Scotland but anything up to 30% is in English waters, I’ve heard higher figures. There are international treaties as to how the North sea should be divided so it would be relatively easy to find out I suppose. I doubt that anyone on this site is qualified to make a judgment though.
There is then the question of the Southern North sea which no one seems to want to talk about. Then there are the on-shore sites in England which are never mentioned. On top of all that there are other resources such as coal which could change the whole picture as technology advances.
On top of all that we could of course go over the past 300 years and start arguing about finance, allocation of resources etc etc but as usual it would degenerate into certain people saying that they have been hard done by for centuries. so it will tediously go on and the propagandists as usual will have their way.
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:08 amThank you Bobby Boyce well put.
The SNP and their chippy supporters never seem to take into account, the historic national debt and borrowing, of which they would have to take a share.
Of course it wouldn’t be a fair share because it would be based on population and not the totally inept, primary school financing of the UK by Blair, Brown and Darling and their famous Scottish prudence!!!!!!!!
We the underfunded English would have struggle along and try and make do Kip Kane but we’ve already had plenty of practise at that after funding you through the Barnett Formula for years!
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:54 amKip, oil prices are very high at the moment, but it still wouldn’t have covered the Scottish bank bailout.
Besides. If it could be proven, beyond all doubt that England subsidised Scotland, would you still want Scottish independence?
If the converse were true, I’d still want English independence. What are your motives?
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 pmKip Kane ‘Currently Scotland donates 60 billion pounds towards the London treasury which includes oil and gas duty’
Duty is charged at the pumps. As English people usually fill their cars etc. up in England the duty will be paid in England!
July 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 pmStuart, The reason’s why Labour brought in devolution was not to disunite the UK but strengthen it without the need to go down the full road. It is the nationalists are thinking of using it as a stepping stone to full independence but Labour wants and still is A Unionist party and will always be one. The Nationalist government just now is an unpopular one and poll figures suggest that the SNP are going to take a hammering at the next Scotttish Election.
One other reason why the scottish Parliament came into being is that the English often thought they were the superior race within the UK leaving the rest of us feeling inferior. The problem is still on going yet.
July 2nd, 2010 at 3:16 pmthe English often thought they were the superior race…
We did/do?
How do you do that? I once saw a mind reading that involved a woman from the audience and a magician wearing a blindfold.
It would be a hard act to follow, but you can do it with 50 million people, all of which live miles from you and most of whom you’ve not met.
Impressive, I must say, VERY impressive.
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July 2nd, 2010 at 3:29 pmThe point i was trying to make was that the politicians from all sides of the establishment fear Scottish independence.Work it out for yourself.As an SNP supporter i want English independence as well.We’re on the same side man.It’s only natural that divorces are messy.It always is.I think that the English are a great nation and i think that we would get on better if we went our own ways.It’s not as if we are going to start lobbing bombs at each other is it.
July 2nd, 2010 at 7:24 pmYes Kip Kane, I coming around to your point of view.
Billy the Scot, how can I put this so that you understand. You do not strenghten something by discriminating against one one the countries within the Union! ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT CAME INTO BEING IS THAT THE ENGLISH OFTEN THOUGHT THEY WERE THE SUPERIOR RACE WITHIN THE UK. So thats the reason you Scots voted in the referendum for a Scottish Parliament. There I was thinking that it was Blair, Brown, Prescott, Reid and Darling along with Jack Straw giving devolution to spread democracy. Don’t go twisting my words again pal it’s what you said!
What Planet are you on “feeling inferior”, I’m pretty sure that Alex Salmond doesn’t feel inferior, nor Kip Kane and nor should they!
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:11 pmDerek sorry I was on quicker to reply but there will be other Labour policies that make Scots vote for Labour and the SNP are in power here because the majority voted for them! obviously some of us might want independence right away but that ain’t going to happen it all depends on when the SNP give us independence presuming they stick to that policy.
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:22 pm*I was not on
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:23 pmSo the next question for the Scots electorate must be this as I see it. “If by voting for the SNP, it would result in the break up of the union, how many more or less people will vote for the SNP.”
The same question would apply in England and as we know our political masters are scared to ask the question, the reason for that is that they know the English generally speaking are content to get on with their lives and go to sleep or politely walk away when the issue arises. It’s not that people don’t want an English parliament they just don’t worry too much about these things. But the answer, if polls are to be believed, would be a yes vote of about 82%.
If Scotland were to vote for independence, the English would simply get on with life as usual. This is what happened with the devolution fiasco. I would guess that on the day of independence for Scotland there would be coverage in the Tabloids but maybe a couple of column inches on page three of the Sun just below the photo. Most English people won’t even notice.
So in summary the answer you get will depend on the question you ask. If it’s all done in the dishonest way in which devolution was handled then we will get an unsatisfactory outcome. Politicians are fundamentally dishonest and the English basically don’t care that much because they vote only to get a government, and not because that government will be any good.
July 3rd, 2010 at 8:45 amBobby Boyce the English people I talk to almost without exception are unhappy with the present arrangements between England and Scotland. Of course they have other issues to be concerned with such as will they have a job tomorrow. However, without prompting from me I often hear criticism of the way in which Scotland gets preferential funding under Barnett.
July 3rd, 2010 at 9:04 amMost English people don’t dislike the Scottish. I don’t. They don’t really give a toss whether Scotland supports us or not in the World Cup. They are indifferent to Scotland in general. There is no sense that we have anything in common. What they do see is that Scotland and England are no longer as one and that it would probably be in both nations interests to split.
They would also probably not support Andy Murray. I asked my wife who is not particularly political but likes tennis who she wanted to win Murray or Nadal. She said I don’t care. That sums it up. We don’t care about Scotland.
Derek,
I note you raise the Barnett fiasco – does Scotland receive more per head, do you know this?. Because you are “told” via the powers that be, does not make it so. It is a standing joke in Scotland how you guys soak up all this rubbish, and the media and political parties in Scotland including the Tories and Lib-Dems just don’t attempt to push this line as they know they will be soudly ridiculed by the people. The only exception being the Scottish Daily Mail who still try and push a “British” line.
I also have a pet hate of this guy Joel Barnett who winges all the time that his formula was only “supposed to last for a year” etc, if it is such a mess surely he should have been dismissed for incompetence.
In Scotland we do not hate the English (we do however have a minority of idiots..), but we do recognize England as a separate country and culture from ours, some very close ties some not. We wish you well.
“I have little doubt that given time England can stand on her own two feet”, which in England would sound as insulting as “Scotland receives thousands of pounds more per head than England.
July 4th, 2010 at 10:03 amRight the rain has stopped better get on with some work, anyone want to buy some water?..
Dalriada, are you denying the Scots get more per head than those in England?
If so, do you have any evidence to support this?
July 4th, 2010 at 12:15 pmIf the Scottish Nation wanted full independence then we would have had it a very long time ago. The reason why we don’t have it basically the majority don’t want to split the Union and like having dual Nationality of being Scottish And British. Yes the SNP are in the devolved Scottish Parliament but only just, but not a majority to say we want to be fully independent. I am a Scottish Devolutionist who prefers things as they stand. Now I do support the idea of English devolution, but not so sure of full independence for both nations. We would all end up paying a very high price for that, especially if we are to buy goods etc, they would be vast differences but higher costs. I like the idea of being Scottish because that is my birth place, thats where I am born , brought up educated and work and live. But I also like travelling down south to England, Wales and Northern Ireland too, ass I hold a British Passport and I am proud of that fact that I can do that. By the way The Scottish Daily Mail is not a well read newspaper in Scotland. There are more people who read The Glasgow Herald than that paper.
I was in England yesterday again twice within one week, this time I was in Cumbria. To show support that I do like England I bought Three Mars Bars with the Three Lions and St George’s Cross on it. I like England and her people and hope to see her get the parliament of her choice but I prefer she got the Devolved one. When you live in The border areas you will probably find out that many, many people criss cross the border every single day to work, rest and play and visit. We are talking here that about getting a fairer deal and democracy for England, but lets do that much fairer without the lies, the childish name calling critising each other’s country to get it. We have things in common lets not destroy that relationship. Nationalism can be ugly. By the way I am supporting Holland to win.
July 4th, 2010 at 4:54 pmTerry,
What we have is plenty examples of reports being initiated by Westminster and then surpressed and not released as they show the true wealth of Scotland and its capability of going it alone – The McCrone report springs to mind.
So yes I do not believe all Westminster says, especially the Barnett Fiasco – as does most of Scotland. Its a hoot, like haggis with one longer leg so it can run up hillsides.
Billy from Scotland,
July 4th, 2010 at 5:55 pmGood post, its no the Glasgow Herald anymore, its become a “national” – it now sells in Paisley, so they ditched the Glasgow bit.
BILLYFROM SCOTLAND
July 4th, 2010 at 8:57 pmSorry mate but not interested.
Its independence for me.
Oh and watch the Mars Bars, bad for the waistline! Right, I think I’ll open another bottle of English Ale.
Yes Derek,
It’s Independence for me as well now, Billy from Scotland may well love his Utopian state that is Scotland but it can’t go on, I have been told that over 50% of Scots are employed by the State, it’s not substainable, if this is wrong no doubt Dalriada will be quick with a reply.
Dalriiada, I’ve looked up the McCrone Report dated 1974, is there another? surely you are not basing your arguments on a 26 year old report, of which the Cabinet Office said it could be interpretated in different ways or is there a newer more up to date report that we should all look at.
Are you saying Dalriada that the UK Treasurys figures are not to be trusted?
Their latest figures “The Treasurys Personal Expenditure Statistical Analyis shows that Scots get £10,083 spent per head per year on them whilst England gets £8,559 by the UK govenment, £1,124 less! No wonder Billy the Scot wants to keep things the way they are, The Great unelected Leader worked very hard for you Billy didn’t he!
July 5th, 2010 at 12:48 pmDalriada,
“Because you are “told” via the powers that be, does not make it so”.
So let’s entertain for a moment that any report that does not fit with the notion of English people as racist domineering oppressors of victim Scots is indeed a deceptive lie. Rejecting such ‘lies’ as HM Treasury ‘propaganda’, what reports are we to believe?
Somehow, I’m guessing reports endorsed by the SNP’s ‘independent experts’ are okay?
Dalriada, let’s be honest, presenting Scots as deluded fundamentalist nationalists is not fair. You are obviously not Scottish at all are you?
Are there any real Scots out there?
July 5th, 2010 at 5:44 pmBoys you can believe what you are told all you like, its your country that you are hearing it in after all.
However Scotland has been fibbed to on many occasions to suit a Unionist agenda, and I see no reason why things have suddenly changed at Westminster.
Not just me laughing at the Treasurys Personal Expenditure Statistical Analyis.
Is the Treasurys analysis accepted as a true statement of fact by people in Scotland.
Nope..
July 5th, 2010 at 6:16 pmDalraida some things are not just a matter of money.
July 5th, 2010 at 7:28 pmHowever we will never agree on whether England sdoes ubsidise Scotland (my view) or whether Scotland subsidses England. So lets put it to the test.
Independence for England.
PS I don’t believe anything those lying wotsists at Westminster say.
And the Mccrone report Dalriada? you’ve not answered a question with an answer.
July 6th, 2010 at 6:22 amDalriada, the McCrone report assumed oil prices would remain high, whereas they tanked in the eighties. Some (who believe Scotland is finally paying her way) might say Scotland should be made to stay part of the Union in order to pay back the first 270 years of this so called, sorry Union; but I wouldn’t.
Ignoring the Scottish banking fiasco (bailed out in the most part, by the English taxpayer) let’s assume that the Scottish economy managed to sneak a slight surplus, but this will always depend upon very high oil prices.
As recently as 2003-04, North Sea revenues were less than half current levels and Scotland then had a fiscal deficit of £6.0 billion (1).This assumed ALL the oil was Scotland’s when it obviously is not.
Looking to the future, North Sea revenues are even less likely to fund the spending gap. North Sea production has already declined by over 40 per cent since 1999 (from 137 million tonnes to 77 million tonnes), (2) and is officially projected to fall by a further 50 per cent, to just 40 million tonnes, by 2020.(3)
Having said that, don’t let me stop you repeating the myth. I would hate to stand in the way of Scottish independence.
1 http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/rp2007/rp07-091.pdf
July 6th, 2010 at 8:02 am2 http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file43853.pdf
3 Energy markets outlook: October 2007, BERR
Stuart, are you saying that those 50% of Scots who work in the sector don’t deserve to be in work? Are you trying to tell me that these people who work and look after our Schools and hospitals etc even the school lollipop person does not deserve to be in employment or the Policeman that stops a criminal walking with a knife down the street to go and stab some innocent victim or the ambulance driver who saves your life when you take seriously ill in the street. would you rather see these people with valuable skills be on the dole? We can afford it , if we start taxing rich people and get them to start paying their way. What they live on is obscene and immoral. Look at those bankers that caused the whole financial mess off the backs of ordinary people and their workers, yet don’t pay enough tax. Hammer them back for their greed.
July 6th, 2010 at 2:47 pmStuart if you had to multiply £1,124 times approx the population of England say around 55 million could England afford to pay that more per person? Your country gets more spent on it than the rest of the UK if you work it out.
David Cameron is an unelected leade in Scotland As he is an English MP head of which is considered an English Political Party with anti Scottish views. Yet he is not any different from Gordon Brown being in charge of the whole of the UK.
July 6th, 2010 at 3:02 pmWhat question you all have not answered is this – If the Union was break up and go our seperate ways, are you all willing to pay different varying and higher prices for the same goods like groceries or buying a car from the likes of Tesco on both sides of the Border? Are you prepared to do this?
July 6th, 2010 at 3:13 pmBillyfrom Scotland,
You know as well as I that any state that employs over 50% of it’s workforce ends up bankrupt or perhaps you don’t. By your logic in your 1st post we need a one on one situation for everything that you no doubt spent all afternoon thinking up. We can’t do that and you know it but perhaps you don’t!
Second of three, lets just have a divorce and we won’t need to keep comparing State spending and you could spend any and all the money that you in Scotland earn paying for the ono on one in your first post.
You can’t have it both ways, the current tenent of 10 Downing Streets and his party were the largest party by a vote of the United Kingdom electorate, you say you are a unionist so you should be more accepting of the outcome than me! The Great Leader never lead his party to an election win, yet very nearly bankrupted us!
Third post why do you always ask questions but never answer them? I and by the day more and more English are quite happy to go our seperate way and find out, so yes I am prepared for this thank you very much!
July 6th, 2010 at 8:41 pmWell said Stuart.
I’d like to ask Billy how we will pay “different varying and higher prices…”
If the prices are “varying”, they must be cheaper somewhere if they are “higher” somewhere else. (I’d bet they’ll be cheaper in the place where fewer than 50% are taking from the “state”, aka privately employed tax payer)
July 6th, 2010 at 9:36 pmQuite right Stuart Eels. The union, if it was ever really that, is finished, so let’s do the deed and go our own ways. That’s what our neighbours have wanted for so long so let’s just do it and get on with life. I really don’t see why people are arguing and it seems that even when we agree we are wrong, it’s over, finished, kaput.
July 6th, 2010 at 11:19 pmSo nice to be back after a brief trip ashore, and apologies to those of you who’ve obviously missed me so much (Tho’ I’m sure there are many among you who wouldn’t miss me, given a shotgun, but that’s enough about the good people of the North of England for now)
BillyfromScotland – Thanks mate, good to see there are some people on these pages with impeccable taste and judgement of character
Stuart (nice Scottish Spelling btw)Eels, Terry, Derek, Bobby Boyce et al – Me? Chip on my shoulder?. Eeehm, the words Kettle, black and pot don’t mean anything to you do they?
July 7th, 2010 at 11:24 amAnyway – back to petty niggles about advertisements, seeing as that seems to be the most important issue on the CEP blog at the moment, (boy, do you lot need to get a better strategy for wider recognition and the furtherance of your aims to have an independantly governed nation, or what?, I mean to say, “That man’s wearing a t-shirt, and there’s a slogan printed on it, and those other men are making an advert and it has a flag with a different pattern to the one we prefer”. WHAT, OUTRAGEOUS. Stop this madness now, split the Union, and send these animals to the tower)
BillyfromScotland – what we have to remember at all times, is that the CEP, no matter how ‘over the top’ they appear to us, are our friends, and our allies. We want what they want (apart from the t-shirt thing, I want them to be mandatory and included with every kilt oufit hired north of Gretna instead of those ‘scrunchy’ tie things they’ve started doing that make you look like a fucking primary school kid who can’t tie a proper double Windsor). We want the dissolution of the Union, so do they, lets be froiends and not make them cross with us.
Or they’ll just go and tell the teacher on us if we do, ken?
1314, welcome back. How are the rigs? Hope you didn’t spill any!
Anyroad, (do I have a chip on my shoulder BTW?)I think you’ll find that Billy does not share our aims.
Billy is a Unionist, so keep up at the back, or I’ll tell teacher.
July 7th, 2010 at 2:29 pmYes welcome back Remember 1314, have I missed you? not really, would I miss you with a shotgun, I wouldn’t waste the money on cartridges on you pal!
We haven’t mentioned the T-Shirt episode for some time we had to wait for Skirt wearing saddo like you to come back to jog our memories!
The only person that is over the top is you pal who can’t finish a post without swearing, my aren’t you grown up!
Remember 1547.
July 7th, 2010 at 3:47 pmRemember 1314, How are you my dear friend? Yes I am a Unionist but more like a devolunist like a half between. The English people in the CEP don’t have to agree with me but in politics you should be able to look at all sides of the arguement and debate. Just because England doesn’t have a Parliament does not mean they should go and have full independence. Why do they need to go down that road when they could have a devolved parliament of their own. Still I think the Union is worth saving.
Let me tell you why I believe in the Union.
I was on renal dialysis for 4 years with kidney failure in a UK NHS hospital. I got a transplant from UK TRANSPLANT 4 years ago pass May from someone who lived in the London Area. Now although it was someone who lived in London it doesn’t automatically mean my life has been saved from an English Person but could have been someone staying in London whatever their nationality they are. I am so so grateful to this person and not one single day goes by that I never think of him or her and I give thanks. This is all due to ther fact that as a part of the UK we have UK transplant that deals with all organ patients and donors throughout Great Britain. Splitting up the union would endanger things like that. I was treated in a UK hospital, as I copuld not work the UK Run government welfare state made sure that I had benefits that never got me into seriious debt or made homeless as those vital benefits paid my bills and paid my rent while I was ill in hospital. I have a lot to be grateful for being british and part of the Union. Throughout that time Blair and Brown government spending help to improve the hospitals by extending the hospital and its services making them a better place with new doctors, more nurses to look after the patients. Again I have a lot to be thankful to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. Now I am lucky to have been given a transplant and now back at work now paying taxes to the UK Government.
It when things in life are thrown at you with a terminal illness you just don’t know how lucky you are staying in a wonderful country such as Great Britain that looks after the ordinary person with ordinary means. thats why I don’t want to see the union split up. And thats why public services seem valuable to me as well. Do you think that an independent England or Scotland could afford to do the same? I think not.
And yes the prices you would pay in an independent England or Scotland would be higher and different from both countries because you would pay export and import duty on them as in the Uk it’s free trade.
July 7th, 2010 at 3:59 pmAfternoon Terry, apologies for lumping you in with the shoulder chip brigade, will do my best to pay more attention in future, but some of these lectures are just so dul and repeptitive aren’t they? Please don’t tell teacher, I’m still on a detention for buying a t-shirt! Managing pretty well so far to avoid spilling any oil, but we have a mostly Scottish and English crew on our rig (even tho’ it’s owned by the same company as the Deepwater Horizon, oh the internal memos I could tell you about but am contractually obliged not to discuss), not Americans and we have a much better safety culture on the UKCS than anywhere else in the world.
Stuart, I apologise unreservedly for my use of profanity and will endeavour to cut all such words from future posts in order that I don’t cause you or any other reader any offence, but, I though we were all adults on here, and I believe that use of swearwords shows a great love and understanding of the English language. I wouldn’t say f*ck in conversations with my 5 year old son, then again, I wouldn’t use filibuster or antidisestablishmentarianism either.
Good grief, I can’t believe I just typed “a great love of the English”, regardless of context. The Mutton molesting skirt wearers society will disbarr me from the next round of ewe tupping for that one I’m certain.
Yours, tongue firmly in cheek.
1314
And while we’re remembering dates, can’t we all do something to help us forget 1707?
July 7th, 2010 at 4:46 pmRemember 1314 ‘And while we’re remembering dates, can’t we all do something to help us forget 1707?’
That’s the general idea laddie or is it lassie?
I was hoping wee Alex was going to take the sting out of 1707 by organising and winning an independence referendum. Then we could all put this wretched Union behind us.
July 7th, 2010 at 4:58 pmBILLY FROM SCOTLAND ‘And yes the prices you would pay in an independent England or Scotland would be higher and different from both countries because you would pay export and import duty on them as in the Uk it’s free trade’
Why? Would an independent Scotland leave the EU?
July 7th, 2010 at 5:01 pmDerek – it’s laddie, thanks for asking. We’ll wait here for someone to put down the obligatory “can’t tell with you in a skirt” comment shall we?
July 7th, 2010 at 5:25 pmTypical of someone from south of Hadrian’s wall though, expecting Scotland to do everything for you, leaving it up to us to disolve the union as well as using our oil and whisky revenues to bail out your economy ;-P.
If the CEP were to focus on that issue rather than trivialities then perhaps you’d be better placed to help us out with our independence. After all, don’t the English have the largest population among the member countries of the Union?
Help us Derek, we can’t do it all alone, we need to join together and win this battle for all our sakes
And Derek,
July 7th, 2010 at 5:42 pmEven if Wee ‘Eck does somehow manage to pull the electorate away from their sky box to cast a vote for Scottish Independence, you’ll still have the Welsh and the Northern Irish attached to you, and I’m not 100% sure, and am prepared to be corrected, but I don’t think they contribute as much to the economy as the Scottish.
Unless cottage burning or cheating the benefit system raises revenues that I haven’t heard of
Remember 1314,
So it’s not just the English you hate then, real classy of you.
Remember 1513.
July 7th, 2010 at 6:23 pmDon’t really hate anyone Stuart, certainly not “the English”. I prefer to see people as individuals and take each one as I find them. I work alongside people of all nationalities offshore, and more or less all of my colleagues are decent human beings. That said, being referred to as “Jock c*nt” does get a little wearing at times, but sticks and stones y’know, that which does not kill me only serves to make me stronger, pick your cliche here.
Please, don’t try and put words in my mouth, especially not one such as ‘hate’. Hate is a very strong emotion, and not one that I’d bandy about in an offhand manner.
I do mention above that if Scotland were to vote for her own independence then England would still be attached to Wales and Northern Ireland. In no way could even the most deluded souls with paranoid persecution complexes amongst us construe such a statement as one of hatred. Which makes me wonder why you chose to use the word? Is it because, perhaps, you have such intense feelings of dislike towards your neighbouring countries that you imagine that we all feel the same way towards yours?
Please don’t see the fact that I would prefer a football team other than the one you support and would like my own country to have its own independent governance free of Westminister as me ‘hating’ ‘The English’. I have no such feelings towards my dear neighbours to the south.
I eagerly anticipate your response sir.
July 7th, 2010 at 6:39 pmWe English would still have the Welsh to get rid of as they are legally well attached to England. Not sure about N.Ireland? Scotland leaving the Union would mean an end to the Union. Clearly there would be no UK so N.Ireland couldn’t be part of it could it?
July 7th, 2010 at 7:02 pmskirts? You mean National Dress!!! I love the kilt and it is a very smart outfit especially worn at weddings. Talking about weddings, why the divorce? Some folk seek help to try and repair their marriages even the most damaged ones. So why not Britain? Why do you all feel the need to go down the full road to independence when we all could have our devolved talking shops in our nook and cranny? Why rip it all up? If devolution can do the job is there any need for independence?
You will all be worse off. so why go down that route?
By the way talking about the ABE t-shirts (anyone but England) on sale in Scotland well England where selling SNP t-shirts (Scotland not playng) so it is just banter.
You all never ask my question about taxing the rich to help sustain the country’s public services. The bosses of Britain’s 300 top companies now have an annual salary of £3.1 million so why can’t these leeches pay more tax to help pay for public services to be retained? That would help 50% of retaining public sector jobs in Scotland no problem Stuart.
July 7th, 2010 at 8:34 pmBillythe Scot,
Billy I am really pleased that it all worked out ok for you.
July 8th, 2010 at 8:16 amRemember 1314,
You clearly posted comments about Cottage burners and cheating the benfits system, who were you referring to? You tell me that you think swearing shows a great love and understanding of the English Lanuage, when I hear swearing it’s either drunks or teenagers, as we grow older we tend to show more respect to others. You’re not some spotty teenager huddled over your computer are you? no of course not!
If your fellow workers refer to you as a Jock c*nt maybe they are trying to tell you something about yourself but you wouldn’t understand.
remember 1296
July 8th, 2010 at 8:48 amStuart, perhaps we could set up our own blog to exchange points of views, I’m sure the serious people on here are getting a little tired of us trading blows.
Please, can you tell me, can ANYone tell me, where have I stated in ANY of my posts that I ‘Hate’ anyone? or have feelings of any kind towards them. Yes, I posted one comment about cottage burners and benefit fiddlers, this was tongue in cheek, and I’m appaled that you consider that to be an expression of hate.
Again, I’d ask you most politely not to put words into my mouth, and not to try and project your own feelings about your neighbouring countries onto me.
I state for the final time. I do not ‘hate ‘ ‘The English’.
As for some of my colleagues calling me Jock c*nt – They are as entitled to call me that as I am to ponder the fact in conversations with them that the Bank of England £20 note features a picture of a Scotsman on the back. It’a all friendly banter as far as I see it. Most of us don’t take ourselves so seriously that we can’t see a little banter for what it is.
Finally, all swearwords are part of our fine language, fashions and trend change through the years. Shakespeare used the word ‘zounds’ in very nearly all his plays. At the time ‘zounds was considered one of the most impolite words around. If swearing was good enough for Shakespeare, then it’s good enough for me.
Please, can you get back to me on the hate thing – I’d love to hear how you can construe anything I’ve said as a statement of hatred towards anyone. In fact, I’d go as far as to point you in the direction of my first post in the “Report says Scotland’s subsidy should be cut by £4bn” thread where i state, and I quote,
“I don’t love England, but nor do I hate it. I am indifferent”.
Is it perhaps the fact that I simply do not care about England that has you so obviously riled that you choose to put words in my mouth.
Now, before you reply, please take the time to think through what you are going to say, i am becoming tired of seeing you attempt to twist everything I say into something it is clearly not, just because I do not agree with everything you say. PLease, for the love of God, can you try and see that our aims are the same. An independently governed England (what you want) means an Independently governed Scotland (what I want).
Should you choose to continue to twist everything I say, and to put words in my mouth in order to paint me as something I am not. I have been good enough, for the time being, to avoid use of profanity since you pointed out that you don’t like it. Can you please be good enough to stop twisting my words.
Many thanks
July 8th, 2010 at 9:18 amDear Remember 1314,
I have just read your comment above and it’s obvious that protesting so much about ‘not hating’ the English points only to one thing – you obviously hate me (an Englishman), there’s no point trying to deny it – it’s crystal clear in the tone of your writing. You hate me. In response I dedicate this song to you:
You know you hate me, and if you were wondering if I hate the Scots – well of course not – I had a very good friend who was Scottish!
July 8th, 2010 at 3:42 pmThank you Suart you are most kind.
Remember 1314: With no offence intended to all English people here, I thought it would be a bit dangerous with all you roughneckers out in the very rough uncalm North Sea waters that name calling should be an absolute no no especially calling a Scot in his own country’s territorial water a Jock C**t. After all one wee push or slip in something oily could easily put a man overboard. Then again thats only a wee bit of banter not to be taken seriously! Sometimes its like argueing with the likes of Alf Garnett on this website.
What happened in 1513? Anyone enlighten me?
July 8th, 2010 at 3:43 pmThe song did not show up, so here’s the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYSj8NF2mw0&feature=related
July 8th, 2010 at 3:44 pmThose calling you a ‘Jock’ etc. sound uneducated and horribly ill mannered. I’ll apologise here and now on behalf of all decent polite and educated English people for such utterances.
It’s not ‘banter’ as far as I’m concerned it’s just ill-mannered ignorance, you might take it with a pinch of salt but that does certainly not make it generally acceptable.
P.S. I know this wont make you stop hating me but I’m learning to live with the unrelenting hate of your ilk towards me.
P.P.S Remember 1375
July 8th, 2010 at 3:56 pmMatt –
I don’t even know you, how could i possibly hate you?
I may disagree with some of the things you say, but up where i come from, we call that a difference of opinion, not hate.
Soz mate, Read thru some of my posts elsewhere on these pages – I love England, it’s a great place to visit, especially Cornwall, great waves, man, in fact, I’ll be in the Crantock area next week after I get off the rig.
I’d just like to See our countries governed independently from one another.
I protest too much as you say, because I think there’s already enough hate in the world, and more than enough people wo are unable to get along and cooperate with one another, I’d rather not be classed among them
Billy – careful with that kind of talk around some of the people who use these pages. After all, if some of them are prepared to call the polis on HMV because they were selling ABE T-shirts, then what both you and I (and, quite frankly anyone with a degree of common sense) call friendly banter could easily be misconstrued as a call to arms. And you would not BELIEVE the paperwork I’d have to fill in if someone had a ‘wee slip’. 1513 was the Battle of Flodden Field. I think that Stuart with the Scottish heritage has taken offence about the username I have on here and is retaliating with battle dates from every occasion that England have defeated Sctoland. If that is the case, remember Wembley, 1977!! (or 1999 for that matter, when Don Hutchison, from Sunderland) scotred the winning goal in the last competitive international to be held at the old Wembley Stadium)
Matt – Thanks for the link, I’m sure it’s fascinating, but the server on the rig doesn’t allow us to access youtube etc because streaming takes up so much bandwidth. Let me have a look next week when I get home and get back to you. Hopefully it’ll be a little more than plain old name calling, but if it is, I’ll be delighted if it’s original. Failing that, is it sheep porn?, you know how us mutton molesters love a bit of ovine smut
July 8th, 2010 at 4:08 pmMatt, this Scot doen’t hate you either and I don’t think any Scot personaly does.
Remember 1314: what about Wembly 1967? Another great Scottish Victory. I have heard of Flooden. I think if The English Capital was more Northern, I don’t think it would have wanted a war with Scotland or vice -versa because those who live quite close to The Scottish/English Border seem friendly enough. I mean if you lived in Northumbria or Newcastle, you would have a better understanding of Scotland than say staying in London or the South East. Its the same in politics. London is too far away from Scotland as Scotland is too far away from London or beyond.
Sheep porn? never saw it on the top of my newsagents shelf!
July 8th, 2010 at 4:58 pmBilly, you need to get yourself up to Aberdeen sometime and get a copy of readers ewes – top quality ovine filth,
July 8th, 2010 at 5:02 pmOh dear Remember 1314,
I’m sure that you would like me to stop posting comments on these the CEP webpages, you’ll not stop me making my point on any subject linked with that by trying to bore me to a slow death. I would rather not share our own webpage with just you and me you would be better than sleeping tablets.
Notice you have to bring up the T-Shirts again, everybody else has moved on, is this an obsession of yours?
What’s you job on the Rigs, are you the communications officer? yes thats it for you to be able to spend such time on these pages.
I agree, I’m sure that serious people are bored with you.
July 9th, 2010 at 6:53 amAnd yet you continue to correspond Stuart, and this time you’ve called me ‘dear Remember 1314′. How sweet, I’m terribly flattered, but sorry, I’m not that way inclined.
How curious though that you continue to respond to what i say. Beginning to think that you might be a secret Scotland lover.
Showing a fantastic lack of understanding of the industry that keeps our country’s economy afloat. Sadly, there’s no such position as ‘communications iofficer’. Nice of you to show such interest in me though. I am a mud logger, analysing chemical content of the cuttings that come up the drill pipe, so have to sit at my PC for most of the day and while I’m here, what better way to while away a moment or two than by spreading a little love around among my friends South of Hadrian’s Wall.
Matt – I really don’t hate you, hate is an ugly emotion, I reckon we should all go for a pint sometime, my shout
July 9th, 2010 at 7:39 ambillyfromscotland post 69. Are you sure the the uk is a free trade. I may be wrong here I’m sure Englang pays export or import duty to and from scotland…Because, scotland is classed to be over seas by the home office and if scotland is classes to be over seas then scotland shouldn’t be classed as part of the uk so duty will have to be payed…Don’t know about free trade but scotland is classed to be over seas by the home office but why?
July 9th, 2010 at 1:17 pmEnglishbob you having a laugh aren’t you? We were overseas at one point before we joined together to make up this great nation of Rule Britannia! If we stayed overseas and oceans apart maybe Berwick Upon Tweed would have still have been Scottish today!!!!
England shops were selling t-shirts with SNP on them (Scotland Not Playing). It looks like Holland who I picked months ago to win the world Cup might be the team becoming world champions on Sunday.
July 9th, 2010 at 3:16 pmBut why is scotland classed as being over seas by the home office. There must be a reason and no I’m not having a laugh and for Berwick being scottish, your having a laugh. Berwick belongs to me, it’s an English Town.
July 9th, 2010 at 10:06 pmThe Stuarts changed their name from Stewart, which has Breton origins.
The conservatives polled 16.7% and the LibDems 18.9% in Scotland, total 35.6% for the present government. Not insignificant. Bearing in mind that the coalition have no say in devolved affairs it’s not as bad as made out by some here.
Cameron signed the Scottish claim of right and as such, IMO, makes him unfit to serve as a Prime Minister for the UK. Particularly he should have no say in English affairs because of his declaration. Why the people of England can’t see this is because it’s all been swept under the carpet, as usual the politicians are either being dishonest of just plain misleading.
So some of us agree that he is not fit to be Prime Minister but for different reasons.
As far as the t-shirt is concerned, I could not care less, but if it is banter as has been suggested then it would be better left on the football terraces. But as ever, most English people have not even noticed, so whipping yourselves into a frenzy on this site is pretty blinkered on both sides. But some Scots have complained, so it’s not just the English who are babies. But we did qualify (that’s banter by the way).
July 10th, 2010 at 6:33 amRemember 1314,
I only reply to your posts because you insist on asking me questions, why on earth should I understand your industry, the SNP keeps telling us it’s nothing to do with us!
July 10th, 2010 at 7:30 amI agree Bobby Boyce but it’s only two people on these pages who keep bringing up a now historic event which everybody else has left behind.
What really worries me about Cameron, is that he is outGordoning Gordon. Of the Coalition’s first round of cuts of £6.2billion, £5.5billion will be immediately implemented in England and only £0.7billion will be cut in the other UK countries but not until 2011.
People like BillytheScot are more than happy to keep talking about other things, in the hope that we don’t notice that we are still getting hammered by this UK Government!
July 10th, 2010 at 7:46 amRemember 1314,
Thanks for the invite but I’ll be giving it a miss. Please don’t take it personally but to be honest I prefer going for a pint with people who are legally old enough to get served.
Good luck in future.
Matt
July 10th, 2010 at 8:12 pmI see there’s talk again about whether Berwick upon Tweed should be in England or Scotland.
If we just look over the Channel to the Continent there’s a similar dispute between France and Germany – the region of Alsace-Lorraine has changed hands between France and Germany over several centuries and there’s still lots of passion about it, however the French and Germans now get on fine with each other and that dispute does not cause any significant problems for them.
Why can’t both the English and Scots people stop the unpleasant attacks on each other’s country. France and Germany can get on well together so why cant we?
July 11th, 2010 at 12:37 amGood comment Francis. The answer maybe because they have engaged in mass slaughter of each other in living memory.
July 11th, 2010 at 11:16 amLooking forward to going to the pub this evening with one of my best mates. He’s a Scot.
July 11th, 2010 at 1:58 pmThank you for your comment Bobby Boyce, the reason why I am so interested in the Continent as well as England is because I am married to an EU citizen. I’ve found Europeans to be really nice people and even they are shocked about the West Lothian Question and the current England-Scotland bitterness relationship.
I am pleased to inform you that my wife also supports the creation of an English Parliament, although she believes in a united Europe she also believes that an English Parliament will work well the EU and its member states far better than the current UK ever could. I am pleased that she was eligible to vote in the General Election after taking up UK citizenship, she is now a member of the Labour Party and trying to put the case for an English Parliament within Labour.
It is really funny that the Labour Party will take note of a European citizen’s point of view about the West Lothian Question, but not the views of English people.
I am now a supporter of English Independence within the EU, strange but true.
July 11th, 2010 at 4:40 pmBerwick Upon Tweed was Scottish for a long long time before the English decided to take it off us by force. Francis, if the unpleasant things never happened in history then the unpleasan things wouuld not need have dragged up today. Usually if a thief breaks into your home and is caught, then your stuff is returned to you. It’s the same when it comes to stealing a piece of foreign soil of your neighbouring country. So Bob your Berwck is’t Engish, you get to keep the south part and us in Scotland get back our Nothern part which is Scottish Soil. How is that for a deal?
July 11th, 2010 at 5:52 pmBobby Boyce, it is just banter the tee-shirts are brought out in time for the world cup and someone sees a commercial profit tpo pirint them out and sells them. it causes a minor tizzy amongst football punters and a bit of harmless fun. Anyone else thinking differently are taking it too seriously and needs to get a life. Football without the banter would not be football.
July 11th, 2010 at 6:02 pmGoodbye Billy
July 12th, 2010 at 6:23 amO/T My wife is very happy that Spain won the World Cup last night. The Spannish are very very passionate (and loving) people.
July 12th, 2010 at 2:04 pmOh just popped by to say a final cheerio to all and sundry, you will need to watch with foreign wives Francis as they could be Russian wives or Russian Spies! LOL!
July 12th, 2010 at 4:27 pmbye
July 12th, 2010 at 10:08 pmBerwick is in England, so it’s English, I’m English so it’s mine and you’re welcome to visit anytime and to live here also If you wish my friend fron scotland. Sorry, but NO deal it’s belongs to us.
July 13th, 2010 at 2:09 amDon’t feed the English trolls, BillyfromScotland, I just ignore them and try and speak some sense to the sensible minority. The rest just congregate here because otherwise they would have to go out and get a job and pay taxes, and it is easier to just whinge.
July 13th, 2010 at 7:13 amThere you go again Steve you spineless creep, you know nothing about any of us, yet you the supreme whinger, accuse us of the very thing you do best.
July 13th, 2010 at 11:18 am102
Berwick may well have been a part of Scotland before it became English, however it could also be argued that parts of Northumbria from the Lowlands down to the border were part of England at some stage? Theft? It is a matter of opinion and therefore subjective. It is too easy to call other nations evil or warmongers, and not accept you own nation’s aggressive past.
The more the past is brought up, bitterness and mistrust will become the norm. France and Germany had three centuries of continuous warfare, now they are the best of friends. Why can’t the English and the Scots simply accept that it’s time to move on and put 1314 or whatever event into history? As an Englishman I have no problems with the French, Germans, Scots, Irish etc so lets beat this stupidity one and for all.
July 13th, 2010 at 8:29 pmWhen are Orkney and Shetland going to be handed back to Norway?
July 13th, 2010 at 11:29 pm