Campaign for an English Parliament: HMV withdraws racist window displays
The Campaign for an English Parliament understands that HMV have agreed to withdraw their insensitive and provocative “Anyone but England” window displays and t-shirts from their Scottish stores following complaints from members of the public and a complaint by the CEP to Fife Police for incitement to racial hatred.
During the last world cup, a number of racist attacks were committed in Scotland against English people [1] and anti-English racism remains a problem whether it’s a world cup year or not. [2]
HMV’s decision to not only stock the provocative “Anyone but England” t-shirts but to make window displays of them in all their Scottish stores, stirring up even more bad feeling towards the English in Scotland at a time when it is already riding high because of the world cup, is criminally irresponsible and the CEP believes that it could be considered incitement to racial hatred. [3]
Police officers attended the HMV store in Gordon Brown’s constituency town of Kirkcaldy following our complaint and HMV agreed to remove the display. Debenhams also agreed to remove “Anyone but England” t-shirts from their Welsh stores following a visit from North Wales Police in response to a similar complaint from the CEP a couple of weeks ago.
Stuart Parr, a National Council member for the Campaign, said “The Campaign for an English Parliament will challenge any company that incites racial hatred towards the English. Racism is unacceptable no matter who it is directed against, including English people.”
[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5101184.stm
[2] http://www.politics.co.uk/opinion-formers/press-releases/cep-anti-english-racism-in-scotland-questions-that-need-be-asked-$1262810$479240.htm
[3] http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/right-of-free-expression/criminal-law-restrictions-on-freedom-of-expression/racial-hatred.html
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Right, now that this piffle is over, let’s get back to some positive interaction between the Home Nations, shall we?
June 18th, 2010 at 5:07 pmWhat a waste of police time, I think we need to grow up in England. I wonder if this will stop anti-Scottish and anti-Welsh racism, I doubt it!
June 18th, 2010 at 7:41 pmWill Stuart Parr withdraw some of the racist comments he has made against the Scottish and the Welsh? Or is it double standards?
June 18th, 2010 at 7:42 pmGive me an example where I have incited racial hatred against the Scots and Welsh.
June 18th, 2010 at 9:41 pmThen why have they withdrawn? If t-shirts bearing the slogan “Anyone but Wales” or “Anyone but Scotland” or “Anyone but Anyone” (NOT THAT WE WOULD HAVE BOTHERED), had been on sale in England, would there have been an outcry from the Scots and Welsh?
Methinks you have had it your own way for too too long and you don’t like the fact that we are beginning to notice. I find it sad that we do, but get used to it!
June 18th, 2010 at 10:50 pmSorry folks, I’m happy to support the campaign, I even sat and watched the so-called game this evening. But this campaign to get shot of the ABE T shirts is going to do more to incite racial hatred than letting folk that want to buy and wear the T shirts would ever have done. I have spoken to a couple of mates in Fife this evening, Im going up to see them in a couple of weeks, and they are incandescent about the attempt to prevent people from buying ABE’s , and it is only HMV, the T shirts can still be bought locally and on the web. So all you have done is stoked up more resentment and gained some bad publicity. These mate ‘s aren’t rabid nationalists but normally fair and moderate folk.
I’m taking some mates on a motorbike tour round the east of Scotland and the heelans in July , Im going to have to warn them not to wear England shirts !
As for actually getting someone charged for selling ABE T shirts, not a hope in hell, to do that you have to prove that there is INCITEMENT to racial hatred and the T’s dont actually do that, the polis have asked HMV to remove them, no one was charged .
Should you care, do you care, probably not.
June 18th, 2010 at 11:49 pmOr perhaps Scotland has removed the t-shirts because they feel very sorry for us. As one Scotsman told me tonight, the simple reason why many don’t support England is because it is just too embarrassing. I am inclined to agree. Lots of people are wondering why they bothered to go to South Africa. England is truly a joke at the moment
June 19th, 2010 at 12:08 amOk if there’s any England football fans reading this i’ll explain it for them.Everybody in Scotland is laughing at the English football team right now.The ABE t shirts and flags are light hearted football rivalry.It’s a laugh man.Get over it.Just because i support Celtic doesn’t mean i will support rangers if they beat Celtic in the cup.Same with the national teams.It’s called football rivalry.Same with politics.I support the SNP. I’m not anti English.I happen to think the English are a great nation.So get out there and fight the British establishment and take your country back.And while your at it tell Stuart Parr to grow a pair.
June 19th, 2010 at 7:07 amIf we can’t take such banter then good news. But now we have a part to play as well by reducing and condemning the racism that often happens against the Welsh and Scottish and Irish and other countries in England. Any thoughts, Stuart?
June 19th, 2010 at 7:33 amYou really are a piece of work Steve/Englander/EnglishMuslim and now we all know it!
No Kip Kane, it’s the nasty attitude of admittedly a small minority, that exists toward the English in your Country that is making us annoyed!
Don’t deny it, I’ve got family in Scotland and they keep me informed and no they are not English, they are second generation Scottish and don’t consider themselves as English but do have concerns about it. So don’t bury your head in the sand about it!
Going on to the T-Shirts, I’ve got a SNP T-Shirt (Scotland Not Playing)and yes it’s banter, people laugh about it, as do people in Scotland about the ABE T-Shirt. I would say though, it’s a bit naughty of someone like HMV to sell these shirts being a UK company. I bought my shirt from We are England!
And finally what a terrible display by the England Team, Rooney should apologise and I suggest Fabio drop the little pratt!
June 19th, 2010 at 7:36 amI must agree that Wayne Rooney is a fanny.Maybe if he tried a wee bit harder then England might have got something.When you consider the amount these so called football stars get paid then it does make you angry.As for Crapello well he really needs to change it for Wednesday.
June 19th, 2010 at 8:00 amWell we qualified. Scotland and wales did not, it’s as simple as that. For the Scots and Welsh to derive pleasure for the English team being somewhat less of a failure than their teams is really rather sad, banter or no banter.
As far as not wearing an England shirt in Scotland is concerned! Nothing has changed then, business as usual.
I look forward to the day when the Scots and Welsh are made as welcome in England as we are in their countries. In that respect we will all be as sad as you lot are now. You lot started it and it’s now up to us to finish it. The sooner the better as far as I’m concerned.
June 19th, 2010 at 8:13 amI wonder if he would be telling any seven year old boys not to be wearing England Shirs as the Scots have attacked them to.
Tell you what stop the racist assaults on English People in Scotland and we might accept the banter, until then we will regard them as an incitement against the Englis People.
June 19th, 2010 at 8:31 am“Or perhaps Scotland has removed the t-shirts because they feel very sorry for us. As one Scotsman told me tonight, the simple reason why many don’t support England is because it is just too embarrassing. I am inclined to agree. Lots of people are wondering why they bothered to go to South Africa. England is truly a joke at the moment”
Why isn’t he going to South Africa to support his country? Oh that’s right they didn’t qualify. I doubt that stops him, you and the rest of the England haters fawning all over them or has you labelling them a joke. Yet what a surprise! Haters like you think we are. Must be a real blow that people have the nerve to answer back rather than take your abuse.
June 19th, 2010 at 8:59 amIt’s a game of football pure and simple. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. That’s life, get over it because it’s not that important. If the only pleasure you get from life is to live for someone else to lose then there really is not much more to be said, it really does speak for itself.
I will support England when they play against Slovenia, if we lose then so be it. Good luck to Slovenia, a country with a little over 2 million people. Who says that size counts anyway.
June 19th, 2010 at 10:36 amCame to this website through the BBC website have to say this action makes this campaign look like a lot of saddos, grow up and act like a mature political movement not a bunch of creeps.
June 19th, 2010 at 12:10 pmCouldn’t agree more Bobby, I will be supporting the team on Wednesday as I always do and if we lose or draw and don’t qualify, I will spend more time trying to win an ever losing battle to get fit and get a suntan!
Sarah too true.
June 19th, 2010 at 1:08 pmTalk about taking things too far, wasting Police time for something that is clearly not a crime. I lived in England for 18 years and was subjected to far worse “banter” over that period.
The reason that this attitude prevails is down to the arrogance of the English media who every 4 years build up England as dead certs to win the World Cup, referring to 1966 every 5 minutes, only to vilify the team and manager when they fail to deliver.
The BBC/ITV/Sky etc are allegedly national (UK wide) broadcasters but over the past 4 weeks they would not have noticed if Shergar had been found, the Queen had died or World War III had started.
As an organisation I have no difficulty with the CEP’s ideology and desire for self government, the same way as I have no difficulty with the SNP or Plaid Cymru, but by playing the alleged racist card it does itself no favours
June 19th, 2010 at 1:13 pmI’m English and I think this is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
Competitive banter is part of football and I don’t blame any Scottish person who wants us to crash out, it’s called national rivalry.
What’s next? Banning insulting t-shirts against Arsenal sold at White Hart Lane? Criminal prosecutions against anyone chanting “stand up if you hate Man U?” (Ironically both of these count as anti-cockney racism…)
I get the feeling any other country (Brazil/Argentina, Australia/New Zealand etc) would take this for what it is, a joke using the traditional “battle” between the home nations. It just too bad that organisations such as this have lost what is stereotypically a good British trait, our sense of humour.
June 19th, 2010 at 2:20 pmAnti-English sentiments from the Scots are not racist, as we are of the same race, ie. Caucasian. They are XENOPHOBIC, as we are of different nations. If you must complain, at least do so in the correct terms. I say this as a Scot who supports England, even when they’re not very good, like now…..
I take it you will also be asking for the removal of the Scotland Not Playing shirts being sold in England? ;-P
June 19th, 2010 at 2:43 pmCEP have a long way to go before you are taken serious, this type of incident regarding “ABE” does not show you to be very serious or be taken serious. I am English living in Aberdeenshire, supporting England and wearing an SNP (Scotland Not Playing) tee shirt when watching games. No problems no issues, until this indiotic action, thanks guys you are pratts get onto real issues and stay there otherwise you will become a joke.
June 19th, 2010 at 3:07 pmDear Lord, get a grip. As a Scotsman I am a proud supporter of ABE. Not due to anti-Englishness (girlfriend is English) but for the issufferable sense that the English players and media stated that it is Englands ‘right’ to win the World Cup and that they somehow ‘deserve’ it.
I support an English Parliament and English only system decision making (indeed why should Scots MPs vote on English only issues?). Personally, I would give it about a week before those involved notice that Scotland is not the area of highest UK spending per head of population. Its London. And then all the bitter pithy comments about Scots will be replaced by bitter pithy comments about Londoners.
Anyway, and English Parliament system wont work if the most important issue is complaints about AEB t-shirts. Grow up and develop real poltical policies not fake headline grabbing ones.
June 19th, 2010 at 3:17 pmMcfeagle ‘I’m taking some mates on a motorbike tour round the east of Scotland and the heelans in July , I’m going to have to warn them not to wear England shirts !
That says it all really. What will the locals do to the English shirt wearers? Kick their heads in? That’s par for the course in some parts of Scotland when they meet English people is it not?
‘Everybody in Scotland is laughing at the English football team right now’.
Enjoy the moment Kip Kane. Of course we in England laugh at the Scottish team all the time, given that they are always so hopeless!
Well done the CEP for taking this action. Its time we English complained in the same way that others do.
June 19th, 2010 at 3:36 pmAre we English really SO PATHETIC now as to be frightened by a few Scots with a sense of humour to the point that we start blubbing to the Police and screaming ‘RACISM’! GROW A PAIR, DAMMIT!
June 19th, 2010 at 4:25 pmThis has nothing to do with racism its just football banter. I live in Jersey (where a lot of people either are English or think they are English) and have many friends supporting England. Surely wearing an ABE shirt doesn’t make me anti-english or racist? I support Hearts and would actively support anyone playing Hibs, that doesn’t make me racist or anti-catholic.
How many Everton and Man United fans do you suppose supported AC Milan when Liverpool played them in the Champions League Final in 2005 and 2007, Tottenham fans would have cheered for Barca in the Barca v Arsenal final of 2006 and I can’t imagine many Man City, Liverpool or Leeds fans were crying when Man U lost to Barca last year. Its just football rivalry and banter, just because its countries involved when the World Cup is on doesn’t suddenly turn this into racism, or I suppose if Arsenal fans support whoever plays Tottenham that makes them anti-semitic.
Complete over reaction!
June 19th, 2010 at 4:31 pmI think to call the sale and wearing of “ABE” shirts “racism” is a little over the top.
There are many real victims of racism, some of them English. Whoever they are they do not deserve to have their own situation trivialised by frivolous complaints like these.
June 19th, 2010 at 4:38 pmI heard of this embarrassing episode on the radio and couldn’t suppress an audible groan.
What sort of pathetic, professional victim cries to the police because an age-old rivalry results in a comic tee shirt? As a proud Englishman, I am used to hearing others – especially the Scots – reducing themselves to lamentable wretches, whining about imagined injustices and making tenuous and emoting claims of “racism”. It is not for us to reduce ourselves to their level. Shame on the weakling Parr for belittling England by being such a cry-baby. How the hell can anyone claim “racism”, for God’s sake? We’re the same damned race! It makes me so despondent to witness what Victims we’ve become. One cannot open a paper or watch the BBC without being exposed to a constant, pious hectoring over “sexism”, “racism”, “ageism” or the ridiculously Orwellian “homophobia”.
Mr. Parr, if we ever meet, you’re going to get something of a lecture on “growing up”.
June 19th, 2010 at 4:54 pmEnglish go home, the union will soon be over
Saor Alba
Thig Ar Latha
ABE
June 19th, 2010 at 5:23 pm@Derek
The only parts of Scotland where you could get your head kicked in for wearing an England shirt are the same places I would get my head kicked in for driving though with a motorbike. Even if it were decked out in tartan.
If anyone tells you there is a no go place for Englishmen in Scotland then they are lying. You can even wear an England top hassle free. Be English and proclaim yourself and your team lords of the known universe then you might attract some negative attention. Not for being English per se but for being a wanker.
June 19th, 2010 at 6:05 pmWhat a sorry waste of police time, when they could have been catching real criminals. Whatever happened to free speech? If you are fighting for English Parliament, why are you worried what a shop in Scotland sells? The T shirt is clearly a joke and this is nothing short of political correctness gone mad – a shop has the right to sell what its customers want to buy. Getting the police involved to force someone to stop doing a perfectly law-abiding activity is highly illiberal and un-English. You should be ashamed of yourselves
June 19th, 2010 at 6:07 pmIf ABE is rascist then so is Sweaty Sock. I think I’ll ring the polis and ask them to arrest Greavsie for rascist crimes against the Scots. And whilst I’m at it, I’ll ask them to remove the Scotland’s Not Playing t-shirts, as these are clearly rascist too. You don’t just have a chip on your shoulder, you have a great big King Edward. Sense of Humour By-Pass!!! In the same vein as Steve, I would proudly wear an ABD t-shirt (Anyone but Dunfermline!) given that I am a Raith fan. For pete’s sake, Parr, get a life and stop embarrassing your fellow countrymen!
June 19th, 2010 at 9:07 pmThe company that make these ABE t-shirts must be jumping for joy at this publicity coup – a similar incident in Aberdeen resulted in a big increase in sales.
What a bunch of pathetic sados you CEP zealots must be to take umbrage at age old Scottish antithapy and banter for England in international football.
You need to get out more often and get a life.
BTW – Will you take action against those selling SNP (Scotland Not Playing) tops ?
June 19th, 2010 at 9:12 pmAnglophobia Mcfeagle is rife in Scotland and generally with the scots
they have this devil’s advocate approach which underlines there Anglophobic agenda
you know it just like we know it
and some of them play games,and pretend but they are Anglophobe’s
trouble is alot of English are blind to how it is
but ive work with Welsh Irish Scots over the last 40 years
some are OK no problem
Yet some I would say 35% are just plain Anti English including a few who are racist.
I’ll tell you what ! why dont we in England encourage ABM anyone but Murray teeshirts, because its only a laugh….its banter…abit of a joke nothing meant by it
not because he’s scottish, and he wears a blue and white almost a St Andrews tee shirt with highland water plastered on his shirts, and he said ABE just to wind up the scots…….no its pathetic…. no-way …forget it
Even Irish named jack McConnell blurted out in 2006 in a parliament debate ABE to a round of applause, you see Anglophobia is enjoyed in Scotland lol.
June 19th, 2010 at 9:49 pmYou may want to read this bit of background before posting any more comments – it explains why the complaint was made.
June 19th, 2010 at 10:20 pmYou have managed to turn something that was light-hearted banter into something more serious and rather OTT. I work in a place with a number of English people and there has been a fair few cheeky comments made but nothing sinister. If you would acutally come to Scotland you would see that football banter is ingrained in our society and people really don’t take the whole English/Scottish thing that seriously!
You can easily pick off a couple of articles of people claiming that they were subjected to Anti-English abuse but I can safely say I’ve never heard anything like it! If you really want your own Parliament then I would start getting more serious issues rather than one’s befitting of the BNP…
June 20th, 2010 at 2:07 amMy Boyfriend is English and he likes these T shirts, he thinks people are stupid if they get offended by them as they are meant tongue in cheek.
The woman that was assaulted had a thick Scottish accent, if you heard her you would never ever of known that she was English born.
While you are so concerned about the anti- English sentiment, what about the anti-Scottish sentiment. I lived in England for many years and got the anti-Scottish comments and my mums boss kept asking her when she was going to go back to her own country.
Many English people work and live in Scotland, quite happily and my English boyfriend has never had a problem about being English in Scotland.
You can not judge all Scottish people by 2 incidents and I have seen many many English people leaving comments about the ABE T shirts saying some people need to get a life. One comment said I’m not offended, I think it’s funny, people stop being so sensitive and they were English.
I hope that you are going to complain about the ABF any one but France T and shirts made for the English market and the SNP T-Shirt (Scotland Not Playing because they could incite racism.
The attacks that you talk about the one that involves the 22 year old girl, because you said that she is English.Have you heard her speak, she has lived in Scotland since the age of 4 and has a strong Scottish accent. No one hearing her talk would of thought her English born and the other events happened years ago. While no one is saying it was right that these people were hit, name one incident that has happened while the world cup is on.
I was not going to buy one of the ABE T shirts but now, I am getting my English boyfriend to buy me one.
June 20th, 2010 at 2:09 amI clicked on wonkotsane and it came up with Wonkotsane’s World, I noticed a image of a T shirt saying SNP T-Shirt (Scotland Not Playing). If you click on that it takes you too we are England, where you can buy them.
You said HMV should withdraw their insensitive and provocative ABE T Shirts,do you not feel that the SNP T shirts could also be classed as insensitive and provocative and could cause considered incitement to racial hatred.
It seems to be double standards.
June 20th, 2010 at 2:47 amAre Debenhams and HMV selling SNP t-shirts in their stores?
I doubt that many English people would buy one anyway, what the Scots do generally does not bother us. But after years of “banter” I can say that the Scots and Welsh are quite definitely racist. They are racist against the English in particular but generally speaking anyone else who does not agree with everything they say. They continually play the victim as witnessed by remarks by people who contribute to this site.
There is a continual attempt to provoke by making generalized anti English sentiment which is hardly ever, if never, backed up by facts or figures.
If you look online at the ethnicity figures for the UK you will see that there are very few English in Scotland or Wales as a percentage of population, let alone other races. In England the percentage figures for immigrants is at least four times higher and the number of Scots and Welsh living in England is also much higher.
One person I used to know was a manager of a company in Wales, he himself was Welsh but lived in England and used to cross over daily. I asked him why, his answer was that there was so much jealousy and hatred that he could not stand it.
The facts are there people, you in Scotland and Wales are institutionally racist, it runs in your blood. From the moment you are born you have anti England drummed into you. I fell sorry for you all. So just look at your own histories and you will find that the only thing that keeps your societies together is hatred of the English, when the English are not the whipping boy you turn on each other, it’s clear from history. Your leaders know it and we know it.
So keep up your “banter” and thanks for contributing to our site, but stop playing the victim, you are all beginning to sound rather silly. If people take offence at idiotic t-shirts then it is up to them, personally I could not give a damn.
June 20th, 2010 at 8:22 amJust to clarify something I said. I said “thanks for contributing to our site…”. I’m a member of the CEP but do not represent them in any other way. So the views expressed are mine and in no way represent the official stance of the CEP.
June 20th, 2010 at 8:35 amHaving Lived and worked in Scotland for more years than I care to remember. On and of from 1964 to 1994.
June 20th, 2010 at 8:56 amI can assure anyone who cares to read this. There is no such thing as light hearted banter in Scotland where the English is concerned.
Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice!!!!!!!!!!
Wonkotsane, You are an Hero, when is racism not racism, when it’s practised against the English!
To provoke such a reaction is fantastic! You’ve managed to attract the graveyard shift that normally blog a lot stronger language to the Scotland on Sunday and Scotsman sites, than they’ve used here. Strange that. Do they never sleep?
Lucifer (28) When will you be going and giving Pictavia back to the Picts?
Donna, you said it yourself, you can only buy the SNP T-shirts on the internet, not have it displayed in HMV’s windows in Scotland though not in their English branches, why do you think that is? could it be a cynical marketing choice maybe, think about it when you’ve had some sleep!
Linktonian, I too am fed up with the over-hyping of the England team every World Cup and I am a most loyal England supporter. I get fed up when I turn on Radio 5 in the morning and hear Nicky Campbell, a Scot who’s staying in a fantastic hotel, his words,in South Africa since before the start of the Finals, running out of things to do and later in the day Alan Green, an Irish man, ditto and is the most bad tempered commentator I’ve ever heard, and later in the day, Robbie Savage, a Welshman fielding idiotic listeners views for up to two hours and then turning on the TV to hear Alan Hansen another Scot, telling people all the things we’ve already heard!
June 20th, 2010 at 9:04 amAll I want, is to watch as many games as I can, without the media continually overhyping everthing!!!!!!!
How can this be racist? The English aren’t a race.
June 20th, 2010 at 10:29 am“Lucifer (28) When will you be going and giving Pictavia back to the Picts?”
you know nothing of our history …. The Scots are the product of the amalgamation of the kingdoms of Dál Riata and Pictavia/Pictland to become the Kingdom of Alba (Scotland)
June 20th, 2010 at 10:41 am@bobby boyce
“If you look online at the ethnicity figures for the UK you will see that there are very few English in Scotland or Wales as a percentage of population, let alone other races. In England the percentage figures for immigrants is at least four times higher and the number of Scots and Welsh living in England is also much higher.”
Actually according to the 2001 census there are around 400,000 English people in Scotland – around 9% of the population. In Wales it is much higher at around 9%.
“The facts are there people, you in Scotland and Wales are institutionally racist, it runs in your blood. From the moment you are born you have anti England drummed into you.”
This is just total bollocks.
@wonkotsane
While I personally do not approve of the ABE t-shirts (I regard it as small minded and parochial rather than racist) I do think you are being rather hypocritical. see:-
six-nations-scotland-v-france
June 20th, 2010 at 10:51 amengland-26-12-scotland
scotland-losing-to-italy
the vuvuzelas are apain in the neck ,i was missing the chants and songs from the crowed and then i heard a song being sung from the crowd what was it ? ye you guessed god save the queen ,how english/british
June 20th, 2010 at 11:46 amRef. post 37 – well spotted :
http://www.wonkosworld.co.uk/wordpress/
An image of an SNP t-shirt in the top right – presumably Wonkotsane and Stuart Parr are one and the same ?
So if HMV in Kirkcaldy are “criminally irresponsible” so, logically, must he ?
Words like Pot, Kettle and the clour Black spring to mind.
Or, going by post 4, plain simple hypocrisy.
June 20th, 2010 at 11:58 amI wonder if wonkotsane realises that the laws he needs to protect him from the ABE t-shirts is the same law that can protect me as a Scotsman against that t-shirt.
I supposed I could ask his domain registrar (1&1) to stop allowing racist traffic on their systems. Or we could ask his host (Heart Internet to actually take his website down). Because he was, by is own standards, being racist.
But I am not as immature as Stuart Parr is.
June 20th, 2010 at 12:34 pmDál Riata was a smallish part of the North Western part of Scotland around Argyll and Bute. Historians and archaeologists are divided as to whether it was an Irish/Gaelic colony. At any rate it was a very small part of what is now Scotland and is said to have originated in what is now part of Northern Ireland, the name Scotland derives from the Scotii so I understand.
It is said that they merged over time with the Picts, Scotland as we know it today includes Alba, which are lands North of the Forth and the remainder south of the Forth.
Scotii derives from the Latin Scotia and has become retrospectively used since the middle ages.
But as ever it depends on what timescale you are looking at, but it’s an interesting history.
June 20th, 2010 at 12:35 pmYou lot started it, so stop complaining.
June 20th, 2010 at 12:42 pmScotland’s Not Playing is a statement of fact because Scotland isn’t playing in the World cup (yet again).So how can it be racist?
June 20th, 2010 at 4:01 pmABE is not a statement of fact and is racist!
How bloody childish! I am Scottish by birth and English by choice! I support the England team and want them to win. Admittedly I would not wear an ABE shirt but that is only because that is not how I feel. It’s a bit of banter for goodness sake and by objecting to it you are making yourselves a laughing stock!! Grow up and maybe you will get what you desire!!
June 20th, 2010 at 5:46 pm@Derek
The t-shirts are not about facts. SNP is not about advertising a factual position. It is taking a factual position and presenting it in a way that, using the CEP interpretation of things, in a racist way. If you dont think that SNP is not racist then why feel the need to wear something that is design to highlight the failure of a nation? If you find that failure funny then, using CEP interpretations, then you are being racist.
I am sympathetic to the need for separate English Legislation. Just not to the hypocrisy that complaining about one t-shirt and linking to the sales of a similar one.
June 20th, 2010 at 6:52 pm‘ evenin Alf
“Alfred will have eee !
Anglophobia Mcfeagle is rife in Scotland –some I would say 35% are just plain Anti English including a few who are racist.”
Fck me, as little as 35% … where DID you get that from .. oh yes I get it .. it’s in your head, is the “few who are racist” included in the 35% or is that 35% who are anti English and some others who are racist ?
So let me see if 35% are anti English then 65% are pro English , naw that can be right ffs, its more likely that 5% are pro English and 60% just don’t care either way ..
Some Scots don’t like the English , some Scots dont like specific English people, you know the sort, the holier than thou, arrogant eejits who think that they are superior to anyone that isn’t English, white and CoE .
Some English don’t like the Scots, some English don’t like specific Scots, you know the sort , the one with the accent !
June 20th, 2010 at 11:21 pmSo let me get this right the CEP was formed due to amongst other things the West Lothian question. As I understand it English people feel aggrieved that Scottish MPs have a say over their affairs but not vice versa. In this I did support the Campaign.
So what gives an English group founded on these principles the right to tell Scottish businesses what they can and can’t sell? I have no sympathy with the CEP because of this, if you think Scottish MPs should mind their own business perhaps leading by example would be a good start!
June 21st, 2010 at 1:01 amAs soon as you stop hijacking our national interests with the proverbial ‘we’ and anglicisation of a distinct culture then maybe, just maybe will i have a little respect for the Sassenach. I speak English and even had to endure the Tudors at school, no relevance to me or my history, but sooner or later people rebel against what is clearly a subtle but arrogance domination of the media and political langugage that dares to describe people like me as Anglo-saxon. I am British by default but very, wholeheartedly different from my so-called English neughbours. I wish you all the best but i can’t wait for the day when people wake and realise that we can stand as a country without the interference of you lot.
June 21st, 2010 at 9:46 amEngland to win the world cup…Come on England…….
June 21st, 2010 at 12:27 pmLucifer,
Thanks for your educational update, I missed it silly me!
So your Poppleton Manuscript, that tells us that the Picts were conquered and anihilated by King Kenneth MacAlpin in the ninth century must know nothing of your history either, the silly people!
June 21st, 2010 at 5:06 pmI have a foot in both camps, born in Scotland to an English father and a Scottish mother.
If I wear an ABE T-shirt is that a racist act against both myself and my father, and should I report myself to the local police station? By way of contrast, if I sing the National Anthem is that a racist act against my mother and myself? After all verse 6 does refer to General Wade crushing rebellious Scots in 1745.
Now, whilst verses 2 to 6 are seldom if ever sung they still remain available to be sung, therefore singing verse 1 implies support for all sentiments expressed in all verses. So, any singing of the Natonal Anthem is a racist act against the Scots. This includes the use of the anthem by the English football team in South Africa, and as you are clearly an organisation keen to eradicate racism against the English I am sure that you are also keen to eradicate any racism by the English.
Banning the National Anthem is probably not going to happen before England’s final game in this year’s World Cup, on Wednesday, so in the meantime could somebody tell the English team that the words in lines 3 and 7 of the verse are “God save the Queen”, not “God save our Queen” as they and most of the supporters seem to think. It paints a pretty dire picture of the English education system that they cannot sing the correct words for one of the shortest anthems in the competition.
June 21st, 2010 at 5:16 pmI’d actually prefer England fc to win on Wednesday so they can eventually face Deutschland or Argentina. Now there’s an interesting rivalry.Wouldn’t you say.
June 21st, 2010 at 7:17 pmOh for pity’s sake you pathetic bunch of pansies (or is that some form of floral abuse?) – I’m English, an England fan and believe myself to be liberal and educated, but your actions in campaigning against something a trivial as this just makes a mockery of any sensible debate. Get a grip and concentrate on something more important before you become the butt of the joke yourselves – oops too late!
June 22nd, 2010 at 12:11 pmI’m amazed that you were daft enough to to do this. If you get upset over something as trivial as this it makes me wonder about the credibility of your organisation. OK, I’ve stopped wondering. You’re a bunch of humourless, blinkered numpties who really need to get out more.
June 24th, 2010 at 10:28 amThe t-shirt is not racist, it is football banter in the same way as an English person wearing the Scotland’s not playing t-shirt is, it is like wearing an anybody but Rangers t-shirt or an anybody but Celtic t-shirt and it also clearly states “South Africa 2010″ which is simply the World Cup which means it is referring to the team not the whole country and it is not saying anybody but England any time in life, if this is racist then as others have touched on so is the national anthem with the verse about rebellious Scots to crush.
June 25th, 2010 at 10:11 pmmcfeeble all scots have annoying accents to we English
June 27th, 2010 at 10:21 pmyou might like the sound of your own voice
84% of the UK find it irritating LOL
and so opinionated as WE English will all find out now England are out of the World Cup LOL.
Still we have 1966 and World Cup Willie to snuggle up to, cherish memories !
Alfred will have eee
June 27th, 2010 at 10:40 pm‘mcfeeble all scots have annoying accents to we English’
So you’ve never tried to decipher the Norfolk accent, or the somerset one? How about the Geordie?
Scotland is a huge mix of dialects, as is England, and some are easier on the ears than others. This is only to be expected from a country colonised by the Italians (Romans) and French (Normans) so long ago.
P.S Colin
Flower of S……. is racist ?
England wants its own National Anthem …..
June 27th, 2010 at 10:46 pmOh oh, just what a lot of us feared, our defeat has led to a resurgence of English football violence. I hope these are isolated incidents but it shows that there is plenty of racism in English football. Even the very pro-English Daily Mail has reported it
June 27th, 2010 at 10:59 pmhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1290104/World-Cup-2010-Lone-German-fan-jostled-elbowed-angry-England-supporters-World-Cup-knock-out.html
You were colonised by the Irish in fact you are Irish most scottie names like connolly connery mcconnell etc
Then you have your Scandinavians names like Hansen Anderson
all from across the sea to the West of Britain …..
I enjoy Norfolk,Somerset,Geordie,Scouse,Cockney accents , but I dont do scots otherwise i would go and live north of the border lol
June 27th, 2010 at 11:11 pmAlfie,
the west coast shared many trade routes with the Irish, and while they weren’t colonised by the Irish, a great many Irish people settled there, mainly from the 1500s onwards. In my neck of the woods, Grampian, we were mostly Pictish, a seperate tribe from the Scots, the ones who defeated the Romans at the Battle of Mns Graupus, and yep. there’s as much Viking blood in therse parts as there is in the North East of England.
Now, as you state, you don’t do Scots, so don’t please try and assume you have a better knowledge of our History than I do.
You cock
June 28th, 2010 at 7:31 amCan we please take a moment and spare a thought for those less fortunate than ourselves.
Steve (aka Englander, englishmuslim) is a chubby little Welshman who has bee praying and hoping that England will be knocked out of the world cup, so he can gloat over the inevitable wave of violence.
England have indeed been knocked out, but the fans behaved wonderfully.
Poor little Stevie. He will need every penny that England sends to Wales to have his blood pressure treated before his little fingers explode. He needs those pinkies in order to type the kind of crapola we see on these boards.
Get well soon Stevie, from all your friends in England
June 28th, 2010 at 8:22 amWhere are the Picts they dont exist only Irish descendents
this brings in the whole question of macpherson’s Scotland
June 28th, 2010 at 7:22 pmkinda made up to measure…lol
I suggest nothing, I just have a more up to date understanding due to recent research which dispels myth’s and untruths
June 30th, 2010 at 10:22 pmIts about keeping up with up to date research and discoveries with new revelations and scientic information.
Not hear say.. lol