Gordon brown the hypocrite
Andrew Marr has just interviewed Gordon Brown on the Andrew Marr Show. I didn’t catch quite all of the interview but what I did hear was priceless.
We announced a major initiative on cancer yesterday which I’ll be talking about on Tuesday. We’ve announced major changes in the way we deal with schooling so that everybody has a good school. Neighbourhood policing has been introduced in this country and is now about to be expanded over these last few years in the last few years itself. Now when we talk and go round the country and talk to people about how they can get access to the health service and the damage the Tories would do, how they can get better schooling and the cuts in education the Tories would bring, how we can get neighbourhood policing better so it’s more accountable to the people and the cuts that would happen after the Conservatives came into that front line service and I talk to people about social care and we’ve got a huge programme to help elderly people who are worried, some of them sick to death about having to be in institutional care without the money to pay for it and we have put forward proposals that have an answer to that problem.
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And we need a politics that is far more accountable directly to the people in so many different ways.
Major initiative on cancer – health care is devolved. Major changes for schooling – education is devolved. Neighbourhood policing – policing is devolved. Huge programme for social care – social care is devolved.
When Gordon Brown said “this country” he meant England. As usual he refused to say England and Andrew Marr failed to correct him. And when Gordon Brown immediately followed his announcement of entirely English policies with a declaration that we need politics to be directly accountable to the people, Marr failed to point out that nobody in England can hold Gordon Brown to account for his health, education, police and social care policies and they don’t affect his constituents in Scotland so they won’t hold him to account for them either.
He is an unelected, unaccountable, unwanted Prime Minister and Andrew Marr is a typical BBC sycophant.
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Well said, and absolutely Spot on !
September 27th, 2009 at 10:20 amCome on people write to the BBC and complain you can do it online. I have a complaint outstanding and so does David Rikard, get your fingers working.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints
September 27th, 2009 at 11:42 amI hope this comment has also gone directly to andrew Marr, the BBC and Labour Party HQ.
September 27th, 2009 at 11:46 amWhy would Marr want to do anything to help the English. He is part of the problem. We have to root these people out and name and shame them.
Andrew Marr was born to Donald and Valerie Marr and was educated in Scotland at the High School of Dundee, Craigflower School and at Loretto, an independent private boarding school in Musselburgh, East Lothian.
September 27th, 2009 at 1:20 pmThere’s too many scots down here bossing us about.It’s time we exposed them all for what they are-undercover agents of/for Scotland,enough is enough.
September 27th, 2009 at 3:13 pmWe need our own English Parliament and we need it now before we are castrated by the Lisbon Treaty (that’s painful and permanant!!!!)
Vote “English Democrat” next time.
to bobby & johnny
September 28th, 2009 at 9:32 pmdoes the prime minister have to be english?
Clyde you are not asking the right question. Try again!
September 29th, 2009 at 7:15 am(Hint: should a politician with responsibility for the English NHS, English Education etc. be elected in England?)
BBC Complaint sent!
September 29th, 2009 at 7:39 amBrown, our dear leader was at it again this morning when being interviewed on the today programme, refusing to say England, follow this link and listen to the idiot, it’s 12.36m into the interview.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8282000/8282167.stm
September 30th, 2009 at 7:56 pmComplaint sent to BBC.
October 1st, 2009 at 2:54 pmok derek im gonna try again
at a general election we vote for a party to run the government,which ever party wins they choose a leader.
does that leader have to be english?
October 1st, 2009 at 5:04 pmOK clyde, let’s try that again.
Any leader they choose who is responsible for the English NHS, English Education and so on should be accountable to the English electorate.
He or she doesn’t have to be English, but he or she does have to have been elected in England.
October 1st, 2009 at 5:23 pmJust to elaborate on what David said:
An MP elected in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is elected on a limited manifesto of reserved matters. The voters of Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland can’t give a British MP elected in their nation a mandate over anything that’s devolved because that mandate is given to an MSP, AM or MLA. The only people that can give a British MP a manifesto for both reserved matters and those in England that are devolved in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland are voters in an English constituency. It therefore follows that the Prime Minister that leads the British government must be an MP elected in England otherwise he or she would have no mandate over more than three quarters of legislation that comes before him or her. Like Gordon Brown, MP for Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath, for instance.
October 1st, 2009 at 5:31 pmso the prime minister is responsible for english education,ect..can only be selected if he wins in an english seat?
October 1st, 2009 at 5:34 pmI don’t see how it could be any different Clyde, do you? The majority of a British Prime Minister’s responsibilities are over matters that are devolved in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland – health, education, transport, environment, police, planning, etc. A British Prime Minister elected in Scotland has no mandate over those matters because the people who elected him or her give a mandate for those matters to a different politician in another government. A mandate over the English NHS, for example, is not a Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish voters to give any more than an English voter can give a mandate to an MP elected in England over the Scottish NHS.
Obviously, once we have a devolved English Parliament and areas of responsibility for the British Prime Minister are clearly delineated, it won’t matter which nation their constituency is in because they won’t have responsibility for matters in England that they don’t have responsibility for in their own constituency.
October 1st, 2009 at 5:45 pmAhem .. so an English elected PM has no mandate in Scotland, Wales or NI ? Therefore you already have an English parliament !
Ok I’m playing devils advocate but you can see where Im going.
Its not quite as black & white as that though is it .
“Some issues concerning Scotland that have a UK or
international impact are dealt with by the UK Parliament. These issues are known as reserved matters and include things like foreign affairs, defence and social security.
The UK Parliament can also make laws that will apply to Scotland on any subject, but it does not normally legislateon devolved matters without the consent of the Scottish Parliament.”
Not Mine – see .. http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/vli/publicInfo/hspw/documents/HTSPW-Eng.pdf
So the UK parliament can make laws that apply to Scotland but choose not to and allow ( condescending gits ) the Scottish Parliament to legislate on devolved matters.
That being the case a Scottish MP does have a mandate in England ( aka part of the UK ).
England does need a parliament – I fear the only way to do it successfully is through independence.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:18 pmMcFeagle ’so an English elected PM has no mandate in Scotland, Wales or NI ?
Just add ‘for devolved matters’ to the above and you have got it!
Then continue by saying that ‘a Scottish elected PM has no mandate for devolved matters in England’!
October 1st, 2009 at 10:05 pmIf we have dual mandate MPs it won’t matter where the Prime Minister is elected in.
At the moment we have the worst of all possible situations to be in.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:11 pmhit the nail on the head
October 2nd, 2009 at 4:11 pmClyde,
“so the prime minister is responsible for english education,ect..can only be selected if he wins in an english seat?”
The logical extention of that is an English Parliament – since that would bring our country into democratic equality with Scotland.
With the current structure of devolved and reserved matters, the idea of full independance need not be required. Whilst the idea of full independance seems to be an ideal for some the idea of a unified island with one overarching governing body (a fair one) is more like what I would like to see. Working together for all people on this island would be better than having divided states.
Whether an English parliament would lead the English to a desire for independance is not something we can genuinely predict.
It’s not simply a matter of prefering a candidate on the basis of their national origins. I don’t really think that would have so much bearing on patterns of voting in England as perhaps it might in some smaller countries where the culture embodies a notion of being ‘oppressed’ by larger neighbouring nations.
What do you recon?
October 2nd, 2009 at 6:39 pmhow ye doing matt
4 independant countries is what i support
the english people seem to resent tho scottish raj as j.jolley comments There’s too many scots down here bossing us about.It’s time we exposed them all for what they are-undercover agents of/for Scotland,enough is enough.
i think this is racist(probably not the right word but you get what i mean)
but everybody is entitled to their own opinion
believe me liebore aint doing us any favours how do you think snp got in?
the next gen election will probably be won by the torries,but they wont get any votes from scotland ,we know they are not fit to govern and cant be trusted,so they will be voted in by english voters
so now the scots aint happy and we are back to square one
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:45 pmClyde, if the Scots ain’t happy with a Tory government voted in by English voters why don’t they vote for independence? Nobody is stopping you!
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:50 amYou can’t have it both ways! You either accept the majority vote of the Union or you don’t, in which case you must end the Union.
I hope you end it, and I believe most English people support that view.
derek,fair point,but i could ask the same question,if you want an english parliment why dont you vote for it?
the last time we got to vote for it was the 70’s ,more people voted for it than against but didnt meet the target(think it was 70%)
we got to vote for parliment and authorities fought tooth and nail not to add independence to the question.
we now have snp government they want to ask the question but keep getting outvoted by lab ,torry,andlibs as they dont have majority of mps
i fear my friend you are in the same situation we can only vote for it(scots & english) if we get the chance
October 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 amResponse from the BBC re Andrew Marr:
Thanks for your e-mail regarding ‘The Andrew Marr Show’ broadcast on 27 September.
I understand you had some concerns with the interview with the Prime Minister as he did not make it clear that areas of government he was discussing were devolved issues.
As Gordon Brown was a guest on the programme it was up to him to ensure that what he is saying is accurate and not confusing to the listening audience. However, I appreciate you feel that Andrew Marr should have played a part in ensuring that the audience were aware these were devolved issues.
With your complaint in mind I can assure you that I’ve registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.
Thanks again for taking the time to e-mail us.
Regards
Ross Montgomery
October 3rd, 2009 at 10:04 pmBBC Complaints
Where can I find this video?
I would very much like to put it onto Youtube
October 6th, 2009 at 1:00 pm