On February 28th individuals from across the United Kingdom will converge upon London to participate in The Convention on Modern Liberty. At stake are our freedoms, many of them long established English liberties, threatened, and encroached upon, by an authoritarian British state.
Joining organisations like Liberty, No2ID and Amnesty will be the Campaign for an English Parliament, who are proud to co-sponsor a session entitled Liberty and the National Question with the Institute of Public Policy Research.
What does this have to do with the Campaign for an English Parliament and English nationalism?
Yesterday, writing the Guardian, George Monbiot informed us that you don’t have to be a nationalist to support an English parliament, you just have to be a democrat.
I understand what George is getting at, for it’s certainly true that the campaign for an English parliament is a democratic cause. But is that all it is? If ours is only a democratic cause then we might just as reasonably argue for devolution to regions or counties, bypassing completely an English national level of government.
No, the CEP are nationalists, nationalists and democrats.
Nationalism is something of a dirty word, in certain circles, but for me nationalism implies nothing more than a belief in the nation (in our case England) as a fundamental building block of democracy (or whatever other political ideology you want to follow, which is why nationalism has a bad rap sheet).
To fear nationalism as only ever a bad thing is to misunderstand the relationship between nationalism and democracy and liberty, and to leave unrealised patriotism’s potential to galvanise the people in common cause. The Fraternity in “Liberté, égalité, fraternité” stresses community in an otherwise individualistic French motto. And when Abraham Lincoln declared “government of the people, by the people, for the people” he wasn’t addressing Monbiot’s global citizens, he was addressing a national people. That is civic nationalism. That is what the CEP stands for.
We know what the CEP stands for, but does ‘England’ still count for anything; is there a ‘we the people’ of England that can be mobilised in defence of English liberty?
England, a nation with a history, but no destiny
You may remember that in a couple of posts on Our Kingdom (here & here) David Marquand accused the campaign for an English parliament of being ‘entirely reactive: negative, sour, mean-minded‘ and of displaying ‘me-too’ responses to the ‘wonderful growth of national feeling in Scotland and Wales‘:
as I know, no one has yet put forward a positive case for devolution to England, based on a moral vision of what England and the English stand for or might come to stand for. Sadly, this is not surprising. There is no English national Myth comparable to the Scottish Myth of popular sovereignty or the Welsh Myth of Celtic socialism.
Marquand argued that campaigners for an English parliament are ‘barbarous reactionaries‘ and that England will ‘not be fit for self government‘ until they show that they belong to the tradition of ‘the Levellers, of Milton, of Tom Paine, of the Chartists, of John Bright, of the pre-1914 syndicalists, of George Orwell and R.H. Tawney‘.
And just a few weeks ago Andrew O’Hagan described the near sociopathic tendency of the English to “to lie down in the face of exploitation”, our apathy and our aversion to organised or personal resistance:
Events in America show the extent to which democracy there is fuelled by populism – Barack Obama’s victory is a manifestation not of Washington’s need for change, but of America’s. That is not how democracy works in England. A good nationalism has to depend on a principle of the common people, on myths of a struggling commonality. It is strange that Scottish nationalism and Irish nationalism and Welsh nationalism – for all their faults – are still seen by a great many as healthy, colourful movements, while English nationalism continues to make people think of football hooligans, Enoch Powell, Oswald Mosley and the BNP.
…in general the English live in a miasma of what Isaiah Berlin called “negative liberty”: their collective aim is to be free of interference, not to define the future. “Negative liberty” has become the currency of the dispossessed – “whatever”, say the English today when they’re told something they don’t like, and “whatever” is exactly what they get and what they are ready to accept, so long as everyday life lies undisturbed.
There is the idea, certainly amongst the Left, that English nationalists are chauvinistic, belligerent and xenophobic; that England does not stand for anything; that the English are bereft of a national myth and a spirit of fraternity, and as such incapable of articulating a positive national identity based upon common understanding and national solidarity.
Yet somewhat contrary to that idea there is a concerted effort by the UK Labour Government and Progressive Left to articulate a national identity for Britain, the vast bulk of which is England, based on the common values, bonds of belonging and shared beliefs of a fuzzy and, as yet, undefined “Britishness“.
There is a political conversation about what it means to be British, but what it means to be English is largely, or completely, ignored. What does England mean to you? Is there an idea of England, and can English nationalists be mobilised to fight not only for English governance but also for the very idea of England itself?
British nationalism
It’s commonly observed that the ‘war on terror’ and flight into fear has resulted in policies that have led to the progressive erosion of civil liberties. But it’s not just terrorism that is the threat. The British state, The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, is wobbling; challenged from within by a weakening of British identity and the growth of nationalism in England, Scotland and Wales.
The Government’s response to these threats has been a head-long flight into a bizarre chimera of prescriptive British nationalism and state authoritarianism. Curbs on immigration. British citizenship exams and ceremonies. British jobs for British workers. ID cards. Restrictions on free speech. Data mining and data sharing. A British national football team. Databases. Surveillance. Powers to stop and search. Detention. Britishness Day. Rendition. Communication monitoring. British oaths of allegiance. A British statement of values. Citizenship initiatives. Extraordinary powers. A flag in every garden. Curtailing the right to assembly and protest. Control orders. A British Bill of Rights.
In attempting to link the debate on civil liberties and citizenship (rights and responsibilities) with the debate on national identity (Britishness) the Government is guilty of confusing citizenship with national identity, State with Nation. This begs the question: Does that make those of us opposed to Brown’s British nationalism, those of us who do not share his idea of British national identity, enemies of the state? News that MI5 and special branch infiltrated the SNP would suggest that it might.
In reaction to David Davis’s principled stand, Anthony Barnett, Co-Director of the Convention on Modern Liberty, argues just this case.
“This is why we should have the confidence to celebrate the fact that a leading politician is taking issues of principle and government to the people, irrespective of his party politics.
“Especially in Britain (or should I say England, as arguably Alex Salmond has already done this in Scotland).”Naturally, I see this caveat – “or should I say England” – as key. You won’t see Scottish or Welsh nationalists mounting your barricades, as they’re not interested in building open, representative and constitutional democracy.
The way I’m interested in framing the issue is as follows: is the British state and parliament losing its democratic legitimacy as a of measures such as 42 days and identity management; or is its recourse to such measures a consequence of the fact that it is losing its legitimacy? One of the truths that the database society manifests is that government no longer trusts the people; and it no longer trusts the people because it has lost the trust of the people.
But it’s not just about government but about the state: the British state, in particular. You’re right to link the ‘transformational government’ programme to the break down of the unitary state that the Labour government itself initiated through devolution. The whole British establishment knows that it is engaged in a battle for its very survival and that its legitimacy to represent and speak for the different of Britain has been fundamentally and fatally undermined.
And this is why, in more than a merely metaphorical or rhetorical sense, every citizen becomes a potential terrorist: someone whom the government suspects of wishing the British state as presently constituted to fall apart – which growing ranks of its citizenry do in fact wish. 42 days and systematic identity management across all government departments are of a piece, in that they are about – as you put it, quoting from ‘Who do they think we are?’ – discovering the “deep truth about the citizen (or business) based on their behaviour, experiences, beliefs, needs or desires”.
In other words, it’s about finding out who is an enemy of the state: the enemy within. For most of us, ID cards and CCTV surveillance are ’sufficient’ for the state apparatus to reassure itself that we are not a serious threat. For the rest of us, there’s 42 days. But the danger is in the blurring, in the eyes and state machinery of paranoid control, between legitimate, democratic antagonism towards the state, and illegitimate, physically violent hostility: terrorism.
I’m an enemy of the British state, in that I’d like to see it replaced by a federal state or abolished altogether (i.e. through Scottish and English independence). And if we had a federal state, this should have much less central power, with most of the national-level decisions taken by an English parliament a much stronger local-government sector. Does this make me ’suspect’ in the eyes of the database state? Probably, yes: and therein lies its true danger.
But we need to be clear that the fight is not just with ‘the state’ in some universal sense; but with the state. And this is because it’s primarily an English struggle, as the Scots and Welsh are pursuing their own paths towards constitutional democracy. And what will emerge, if the libertarians are successful in the present fight, will almost certainly not be a new written constitution, bill of rights and representative democracy for but for England. Indeed, it’s fundamentally because the people of England have lost their faith in the legitimacy of the British state to govern them that the government is so concerned to manage and orchestrate their identity in the first place.
And it is to popular English national sentiment, and to the sense of our traditional liberties, that the libertarian cause will have to appeal if it is to touch the hearts and minds of the Sun-reading class.
If the English have lost their faith in the British state and demand a new form of governance, then will the British state be able to justify its existence? If the British State loses competence over health, education, planning, policing, transport and housing in England, then is a British Bill of Rights superfluous to the EU’s Human Rights Act and simply a way of reinforcing British national identity and conferring upon the State certain rights to intervene in devolved areas? Is a British Bill of Rights as much about protecting the state from internal pressures (nationalism, terrorism, policy divergence) as it is about trying to protect the individual from the British state?
Is Britain to be Big Brother to England?
Gordon Brown demurely refers to himself as a unionist, and he is. But he’s much more than just a unionist, he is a British nationalist, and it’s his British nationalism rather than his unionism that is damaging to England, and which I think the Campaign for an English Parliament should oppose. His Britishness rhetoric is not just about a fight for a political union, it is a fight for British national identity, because he believes that without that linchpin of identity there can be no meaningful political and constitutional reform; and no almighty authoritarian British State.
National identity is an historical relationship, not a set of values.
National identities are often cemented in adversity. As Linda Colley has described a reactionary British national identity was forged by war with France and Protestant fear of Roman Catholicism. This British identity (I personally prefer not to refer to it using the ludicrous neologism “Britishness”) was later cemented on the idea of English liberty at home and pride in Empire abroad. We are no longer a British nation bonded by war with France, a Protestant faith or pride in Empire. What’s left?
English liberty is what’s left. Gordon Brown’s Britishness agenda is more properly called British nationalism. He’s engaged himself in the creation a national “Britishness” myth to reinforce British national identity, and the myth that he’s chosen is (along with tolerance) one of liberty.
Brown claims that there is “a golden thread which runs through British history – that runs from that long ago day in Runnymede in 1215; on to the Bill of Rights in 1689 where Britain became the first country to successfully assert the power of Parliament over the King”, and that “Voltaire said that Britain gave to the world the idea of liberty”. He also maintains that an appeal to fairness “runs through British history, from early opposition to the first poll tax in 1381 to the second; fairness the theme from the civil war debates”.
But that golden thread is English, Voltaire spoke of England, and it is the English sense of fairness that asymmetric devolution (and asymmetric democracy) has upset. Gordon Brown borrows from England and gives nothing back, misappropriating an English narrative to suit his statist and authoritarian “Britishness”.
It would be churlish and pointless to object to Britain as the inheritor of England’s tradition of liberty and struggle for emancipation. And I’m not going to. But Gordon Brown’s British nationalism, the Britain of his mind’s eye, is not in keeping with the England of my mind’s eye. It is an anathema to England’s tradition of liberty. It’s all very un-English, and even though an English narrative is invoked his vision is in total contrast to any notion of what England stands for.
This misappropriation of the English narrative is made worse by Brown’s denial of England, a forbidding that prevents any mention of the nation that is the bedrock on which his British Tower of Babel is built. Devolution allowed the Scots and Welsh to not only think as Scotsmen and Welshmen, but also to behave as Scotsmen and Welshmen. Devolution was an act of national liberation. But we English are denied the liberty of a forum to discuss and express English national identity, to decide what it is we want England to be, to choose the manner of governance to best reflect ourselves as Englishmen and women. Brown’s British nationalism negates England in a way that a pragmatic unionism does not.
For Brown “Britishness” is all.
“I think almost every question that we have to deal with about the future of Britain revolves around what we mean by Britishness, whether it is asylum or immigration, the future of the constitution, our relationship with Europe or terrorism. Who we are, what we stand for, what we are fighting for, is crucial to any nation’s future in the modern world. Unless you have a strong sense of shared purpose, a strong sense of who you are, you will not succeed in the global economy and global society…I want to have this debate…about whether Scotland has a different view of tolerance to England, or whether Scotland has a different view of the stiff upper lip and so on—I want to debate these things in far more detail.” – Gordon Brown, Britain Rediscovered, Prospect Magazine, April 2005
This is a very monotheistic view. For me the future of Britain rests just as much upon what we mean by Englishness, Scottishness and Welshness as it does upon what we mean by Britishness. The key question is whether the British state can adapt to accommodate the multiplicity of identities on these islands, perhaps reducing Britishness to Vernon Bogdanor‘s definition: “a wish to be represented in the House of Commons”.
The problem for Brown, in trying to forge a British nationalism and a strong British national identity, is that nationalism is territorial. Britain has no territory to call its own, which brings it into obvious conflict with English, Scottish and Welsh nationalism. Similarly it has no national narrative and history that is uniquely its own, so Brown relies on a very Anglo-centric idea of Britain, which suits just fine his vision of an Anglo-British state with devolved peripheries and centrally micro-managed English regions. Paradoxically the same plight that affects Brown’s Britishness effects English nationalism and English national identity, it is the plight of conflation – of Britain and England. We are stuck on the problem of trying to define a British national identity which is in reality a multinational State identity. Compounding this problem is the fact that the English have traditionally merged their national [English] and state [British] identities, in a way that the Scots and Welsh have not, to create a hybridised Anglo-British identity.
We see Westminster politicians blow until they’re red in the face about the attractions of Britishness; its tolerance, its liberty, its pluralism, its shared values, its common purpose. Yet those same politicians, when they are in Scotland, applaud devolution (itself a political demonstration against an all-encompassing Britishness) and pay tribute to Scotland’s distinctiveness, its difference and its national identity. In an important sense, all politicians, when they are in Scotland, are Scottish Nationalists. They all pay homage to Scotland at each and every opportunity, in a way that English MPs never do about England (but perversely do about Britain).
For all the merits of David Davis’s freedom campaign it was depressing that he could not (or would not) define his opposition to New Labour’s authoritarianism as a freeborn Englishman, to tap into that rich English tradition and appeal to his constituents’ Englishness. Would it really be too much to ask for an English MP to appeal to England in opposition to Brown’s dystopian Britishness, just as Scottish politicians have used Scotland as a bulwark against Westminster statism? To have invoked England against an authoritarian Scot would have pulled the rug from under Brown’s feet.
We must ask ourselves who is at fault for this tactical error: David Davis or ourselves?
And we should ask why the Scots debate civil liberties in their Parliament at Holyrood while the English debate theirs on the doorsteps of Haltemprice and Howden.
Discussion
As it says at the top of the page this is intended as a discussion piece. I want to hear from CEP members, but also from other English nationalists (FEP and EDP), and anyone else for that matter, about the civil liberties debate.
- What does England stand for?
- Is there such a thing as ‘English liberty’?
- Should the right to self-determination, national sovereignty, be considered a right?
- Should Scottish politicians be able to vote to abolish smoking in English pubs, but not in their own country?
- Why is it that English school children are fingerprinted and placed on a database?
- Why are civil liberties better protected in Scotland than in the rest of the UK?
- Is the most important civil liberty that a democratic people can hold the right to choose and remove their own government; and does the presence of non-English MPs in the parliament compromise England’s right to pick the government of its choosing, and lessen our chances of kicking out a government that we don’t want?
- Is the political establishment conspiring to prevent a discussion on the English question, denying us the right to express ourseves as Englishmen and women?
- Should Speaker Martin be able to ban Justice for England from marching outside Parliament on May Day?
- Should (or can) English nationalists be mobilised in defence of civil liberties, or are we entirely reactive, negative, sour and mean-minded?
Many of the Convention’s attendant organisations and their members do not associate themselves with English patriotism, and so this may seem – to some of you – an odd convention for the CEP to join. Yet, in defence of British freedoms, speakers will summon up the Peasants’ Revolt, the Magna Carta, Common law, Habeas Corpus, the Jury System, the Bill of Rights, the Levellers and the Diggers, Peterloo, the Chartists, Tolpuddle, the Match Girls Strike, Poll Tax rebels and demonstrators, the protests at Kingsnorth and Heathrow, and anti-NF/BNP demonstrations.
I believe that this is a debate for England. I hope that you do too.
Please give me your thoughts, and any specific examples of infringements on our civil liberties, in the comments.
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February 18th, 2009 at 6:55 am“Nationalism is something of a dirty word,in certain circles….”
I think it is only English Nationalism that is viewed this way. The Scots and Welsh variety is somehow seen as something quaint and cuddly by those same “certain circles”.Good luck to the Convention in helping remedy the distorted prism through which English parliamentary aspirations are viewed.
February 18th, 2009 at 8:01 amWhenever the word “English” is mentioned, the “Eglightened, Global Citizen” will show his/her true colours, by displaying their racist bigotry in all its glorious colours. Ironic, really.
The British are a pretty nasty bunch, aren’t they? Eager to discard the burden of Empire, they do all they can to associate it with English only. The English, having been taught under successive British governments to should that blame, say nothing. Until now. And that’s like a damn, which may burst at any time.
The government are entering new territory. They’re terrified. And so they should be.
February 18th, 2009 at 10:05 amMany thanks for this strong and thoughtful discussion piece Gareth which I hope will become part of the Convention debate. Looking forward to engaging more fully after the 28th and I hope CEP supporters will be coming or, as tickets are selling out, attending the three non-London meetings in the rest of England.
February 18th, 2009 at 10:21 amFar too much to respond to here, but I have to disagree that you have to be an English nationalist to support the CEP and an English Parliament. There is a democratic deficit which an EP would resolve. In theory, yes, devolving power to regions or counties could also resolve the deficit and there are some who would go down that route. However, it is perfectly possible for a non-nationalist democrat to reject those solutions on purely practical grounds. In order to answer the deficit, each unit would have to be given powers equal to those of the Scottish parliament. Others may view that with equanamity. To me it suggests the prospect of a nightmare world of competing petty fiefdoms and worse government for everyone in them. It is one democratic route, but neither economically, socially, nor geographically attractive.
One test, perhaps, of English nationalism, is whether an EP would to be pursued if, by some political miracle, the devolved institutions of the other countries were to be abolished. Many CEP activists would still want one. Others, those who are neither English nationalists nor believers in localism, would not. One issue for the CEP is whether it wishes to reject the support of such people. By labelling itself as a nationalist organisation it implicitly does so.
Of course, the liberties traditionally enjoyed by the English need to be preserved, but if they are good for the English they are probably worth extending to the world (England is just a more manageable project). Liberties that survive only in England may not survive for long.
Finally, since I am rambling a bit, one specific infringement, the proposal to make photographing a police officer a criminal offence. There have been clear cases, both here and in the United States, were abuse of police power has been detected and punished (and, it is to be hoped, deterred) by the presence of cameras. Give them the right to prevent photographs and this will not happen.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:43 pmJames, the reason many of us who support the aims of the CEP are also Nationalist is because we have been pushed to Nationalism by the behaviour of New Labour. Notably it’s desire to chop England into nine EU regions. Not Scotland of course, nor Wales, just England.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:22 pmIf our campaign was just about resolving the West Lothian Question, then I would agree with you James.
But we want a national voice, a national government. So it’s about more than democracy; it’s about England’s right to constitutional self-determination, a peoples’ solution to the question of England. It’s about sovereignty and governance that reflects national identity.
I take your point that ‘nationalism’ puts some people off, but I think that is a necessary hurdle that we have to leap anyway if we are ever to get an English parliament.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:43 pmToque. Yes, we do want a national voice and a national government, but not all of us for the reasons you specify. The CEP’s statement of its aims does not use the language of sovereignty. It is careful to avoid nationalist semantics and while we all seek governance that reflects national identity our motives vary. You do so because you are a nationalist, as is your right, but by arguing that this is a necessary part of support for the CEP you are adding your own gloss, albeit one that is widely shared.
It is entirely possible to support the CEP because you a a British nationalist and you think that an EP is the only way for Britain to survive as a political entity.
As Daggs says, many who support the CEP are also nationalists. The “many” and the “also” are crucial.
Politically, I sympathise with George Monbiot about next to nothing, but if he wished to join the the CEP on the basis that he is a democrat, but not a nationalist, I would be happy to accept him.
No doubt we could (and probably will) continue to go round this circle, Suffice it to say that no one is going to successfully demand of me that I accept any label not of my own choosing and I would not make such a demand of anyone else. That is not the way to build a successful coalition.
February 18th, 2009 at 5:17 pmA wee rant .. from the Scots man in Suffolk.
Im Scottish, my family are scottish, it’s not just about politics, it’s what I am, it’s part of my very being. Its my passion .
I want independence for my wee country, I want its people to be able to have a proper say in the way that their country is run. I want Scotland to keep Scots law ( its different from the English law), I love highland games, my culture . I dont want the “UK” to subsidise Scotland , let us get on with it.
Why can’t England have the same ?
I don’t hate English folk, my daughter was born here, I live here, I work here, Suffolk is a lovely place ( albeit lacking in hills
) . I like the people, I’ve got used to the beer. I’ll probably live the rest of my life here.
But .. all my Scottish friends are passionately Scottish .. and I don’t get that sort of passion from my English friends – they just don’t seem to be the same passion for England that I feel for Scotland.
I don’t hate the English, Welsh or any other nation , I just love being Scottish . Why don’t I see that passion in English people ?
George Monbiot’s article was interesting, but it needs passion not indifference to make things happen.
You want independence, I’ll stand beside you at the barriers.
Cheers frae Suffolk
February 18th, 2009 at 7:32 pmFrae – With all due respect, it is a mistake to see quiet and dignified love for our country as ‘indifference’. It is not very English to be proud in Scots fashion over the country, we (at least every English person I’ve ever known)don’t need or want an English version of ‘tartan nationalism’, perhaps we are simply more private about such matters in England?
Gareth – Well done with the piece, very impressive! Here’s my penny’s worth:
To love our country and demand equality and democracy for our future does not mean we must all embrace any sort of “nationalism” – ‘civic’, ‘ethnic’ – whatever way you’d like to conceptualise or re-conceptualise it for us all; I don’t care.
We are the campaign for an English Parliament, not ‘the campaign for the promotion of English Civic nationalism’!
Regards
Matt
February 18th, 2009 at 11:28 pmThe more I read about you guys the more I think you should be openly aligning yourself to Scottish and Welsh Nationalists who, like you, are seeking a separate identity from the British State.
Though I rather suspect that you want your cake and eat it, i.e. free of the British State while still being part of it, in which case you should be aligning yourself to the Lib Dems and demanding a Federal Britain.
Aligning yourself with parties bigger than yourself has obvious advantages. Think about it. Good luck.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:43 pmInteresting James, interesting…
One of the reasons I stopped writing for the CEP blog was because it became very tiring trying to write without my own gloss – it’s hard to write with anything approaching passion if you have to couch your argument in ideas that you don’t necessarily agree with 100%. But I understand your point, perhaps I am putting my own spin on it (several people with differing perspectives should contribute to a blog like this, for balance).
I suppose it is possible to support an English parliament for disingenuous reasons. A British nationalist could do so if they thought an EP was the best way to secure the British nation, and a Scottish nationalist could do so if they thought an EP was the surest way to break Britain apart. The British nationalist, by joining the CEP from a pragmatic standpoint, would be conceding that there is an English nation with the desire for an English parliament, it would be the threat of English nationalism – to Britain – that compelled him to act.
However, I think it’s unlikely that we have many/any of those people in the CEP. I would hope that at least 99% of CEP members wanted English governance for the sake of England.
For the record I am an English nationalist who does not want to break up Britain. I want my national identity recognised but I have no real desire to see those who belong to Britain deprived of their British national identity.
I’d be more than happy to accept George as a member too. But I think George would have a hard time making the case for a national parliament, national government and national self-determination without his Guardian colleagues considering him a nationalist.
On the language of sovereignty, true I can’t recall the CEP using the word ‘sovereign’ in any of it’s official literature. But the CEP do argue for a constitutional convention and a referendum, which means that Parliament grants constitutional sovereignty to the people (if only for a day, and when they’ve framed the question).
February 19th, 2009 at 12:59 amMatt, we are indeed the Campaign for an English Parliament, and not the campaign for the promotion of civic nationalism. But, personally, I am a nationalist first. I believe that the English nation has the sovereign right to decide whether it wants the Status Quo, an EP or independence. My personal preference is for an English parliament, but if we got a referendum on an EP and lost, I would walk away from the CEP because recognition of the English nation’s sovereign right would have been won, and I would feel that my cause was won. Westminster would have bent its knee to the people (the nation). Should an EP ever come about it will be (and can only be) a product of the national democratic will.
An English parliament is a means to an end, not an end in itself. We want an English parliament because we want a better England, we want governance of England, for England; governance of the nation, for the nation; governance of the people, for the people. If we got to the stage of having a referendum on an EP then full consideration would have been given to England; there would be years of discussion by all manner of people on how best to govern England, and the debate would be thrown open to the people; the whole nation would be forced to reflect on England, and politicians would begin acting in the national interests of England.
As a democrat I could accept a Westminster solution to the West Lothian Question. But as a nationalist I cannot accept that, because it is a Westminster solution, not a peoples’ solution.
February 19th, 2009 at 2:29 amI think the question whether the CEP and the English-nationalist community in general should align their cause with the broader campaign to safeguard our liberties will be answered ultimately by whether the campaigners for liberty come to see their own cause as an English one, in the first instance, rather than a British one. In other words, there can be no true fusion of English nationalism and libertarianism, in the broader sense (the struggle for liberty and human rights), unless the libertarians and the liberal intelligentsia come to frame their fight as an English one – thereby making a profound common cause with English nationalists.
Personally, I don’t in fact think that either the liberal elite or the broader mass of fair-minded, democratic folk in England are yet ready in sufficient numbers to make the leap to dissociating their ideals and objectives from the British tradition, national myth and political process. In other words, they still want to hold on to a holistic ideal of Britain of which those very values of liberty, equality and democracy are seen as an integral part. Probably that break will come when the last vestiges of a truly unitary British state have fallen apart under their own centrifugal momentum; e.g. when Scotland decides to separate from the UK. At that point, the inherent Englishness of the British project will be able to articulate itself as such; and we’ll all be able to start explicitly talking about and working towards democratic renewal as the English phenomenon that the British-libertarian movement at root already is.
But that’s no reason not to keep on articulating the demand for an English parliament and English national self-determination as an inherently democratic cause, and a campaign for justice and equality for the English people – within or outside the present Union. So this is a very important initiative, for which you are to be commended, Gareth. If the Campaign for an English Parliament emerges from this, in the minds of the chattering classes and the mainstream media, as a movement that aims to preserve and renew our cherished liberties and democratic traditions, then we will have taken an important step forward along the road of helping the English-British (establishment and people) to see themselves as English in the first instance, and to be proud of that fact.
February 19th, 2009 at 2:33 am[...] over at the CEP have taken issue with that. But on the letters page of today’s Guardian, Richard Laming, [...]
February 19th, 2009 at 3:21 amWe can love England’s culture, history, traditions and the democratic rights of our English people without touting any sort of nationalism!
It is not nationalistic to love and respect our English culture, heritage and democracy. It is simply anglophobic, ignorant, dishonourable and grossly lacking in manners to dismiss England in favour of half baked state logistics!
February 19th, 2009 at 6:47 pmI am an English Nationalist and proud to be so. My nationalism is based on a “love and respect (for) our English culture,heritage and democracy.” Touting “any sort of nationalism” has not harmed the Scots,the Irish and the Welsh and it will not be injurious to legitimate English aspirations for our own Parliament if the results of a democratic referendum of the people of England give sanction to such governance. In pursuit of this aim,I will be glad of the support of all those who share this aim whether they describe themselves as nationalists, democrats,republicans etc.etc.etc.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:48 pmGareth, one thing we seem to have lost is a pet subject of mine, one
February 21st, 2009 at 7:21 amstupid Judge decided that a Penalty for a breach of the Law is not a Fine when clearly it is. The bill of Rights Act 1689, which is still in
force, states “That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular persons before conviction are illegal and void;”
This government has run roughshod over a swathe of English Laws when it has no power to interfere with the Scottish variety. With all that we have lost I live in a very different England to the one I was born into, wartime England had more freedoms that I enjoyed as of right than exist today.
On the specific examples (again), the plan to record all our phone calls and email destinations seems pretty egregious, but perhaps the master plan is to save the post office by forcing us al back to snail mail.
February 24th, 2009 at 10:29 pmThere’s also the Coroners and Justice Bill, the data sharing provisions of which “mainly apply to England and Wales“.
February 27th, 2009 at 3:35 pm“George Monbiot informed us that you don’t have to be a nationalist to support an English parliament, you just have to be a democrat”
You have demolished the anti-English brigades arguments time after time causing them to deliberately move the goalposts. You pick holes in their rantings all over again and inevitably end up thinking, it doesn’t matter what I say, or do, or if I am correct or not these anti-English fascists hate what I stand for, i.e. ENGLAND AND THE ENGLISH NATION.
March 4th, 2009 at 9:56 amThe people we have to deal with are NOT democrats.