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		<title>By: The UK After Britain: Who Decides? &#171; Britology Watch: Deconstructing &#8216;British Values&#8217;</title>
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		<dc:creator>The UK After Britain: Who Decides? &#171; Britology Watch: Deconstructing &#8216;British Values&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 10:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and representation to each of the nations of the UK under a federal system, including England. As I&#8217;ve suggested before, maybe Cameron will do a deal with the SNP to hold a referendum after the 2012 Olympics - giving [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and representation to each of the nations of the UK under a federal system, including England. As I&#8217;ve suggested before, maybe Cameron will do a deal with the SNP to hold a referendum after the 2012 Olympics &#8211; giving [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 08:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have sent this

The call for British MPs to be dual mandated only applies to England so that in comparison with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland we are still to be short-changed.  How much more credible this answer to UK devolution would be if those that support dual mandated MPs for England also supported this solution in the other devolved territories, but they do not.  So the 85% of British taxpayers who live in England will continue to have to support the salaries and pensions of the 297 extra MPs [and their attendant bureaucrats] imposed on them without their permission, since they were never asked, since 1997. 
Scilla Cullen
Chairman, Campaign for an English Parliament</description>
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<p>The call for British MPs to be dual mandated only applies to England so that in comparison with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland we are still to be short-changed.  How much more credible this answer to UK devolution would be if those that support dual mandated MPs for England also supported this solution in the other devolved territories, but they do not.  So the 85% of British taxpayers who live in England will continue to have to support the salaries and pensions of the 297 extra MPs [and their attendant bureaucrats] imposed on them without their permission, since they were never asked, since 1997.<br />
Scilla Cullen<br />
Chairman, Campaign for an English Parliament</p>
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		<title>By: wonkotsane</title>
		<link>http://www.thecep.org.uk/wordpress/2008/05/03/what-next-for-england/comment-page-1/#comment-561</link>
		<dc:creator>wonkotsane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 11:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just submitted this comment (awaiting moderation) ...

&lt;blockquote&gt;Dear John,

If you had your way and became a dual-mandate MP, would you be able to seperate your duties effectively?

In Scotland, an MSP has one concern - Scottish interests.  As a British MP, would you be able to put English interests first - maybe even to the detriment of Britain or the Celts - on &quot;English&quot; days in the same way that an MSP does in Scotland every day?

I don&#039;t think this is possible and that is just one of the reasons why English Votes on English Matters will not work.

If we are to have devolution in England it has to be at least on equal terms with Scotland.  This means an English Parliament and Executive consisting of parliamentarians elected by the English to represent English interests in an English government.

Let me put it another way - say you were presented with a bill that imposed a tax on Scottish imports into England that would make every family in England £1,000 per year better off but made every family in Scotland £1,000 per year worse off, how would you vote?  If the reverse were presented to an MSP, they wouldn&#039;t think twice about endorsing it because they are only interested in Scotland.

I&#039;m glad you take the West Lothian Question seriously and I&#039;m glad that you seem to genuinely want to address it, I just wish you&#039;d support &lt;i&gt;parity&lt;/i&gt; for England instead of a constitutional bodge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just submitted this comment (awaiting moderation) &#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Dear John,</p>
<p>If you had your way and became a dual-mandate MP, would you be able to seperate your duties effectively?</p>
<p>In Scotland, an MSP has one concern &#8211; Scottish interests.  As a British MP, would you be able to put English interests first &#8211; maybe even to the detriment of Britain or the Celts &#8211; on &#8220;English&#8221; days in the same way that an MSP does in Scotland every day?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this is possible and that is just one of the reasons why English Votes on English Matters will not work.</p>
<p>If we are to have devolution in England it has to be at least on equal terms with Scotland.  This means an English Parliament and Executive consisting of parliamentarians elected by the English to represent English interests in an English government.</p>
<p>Let me put it another way &#8211; say you were presented with a bill that imposed a tax on Scottish imports into England that would make every family in England £1,000 per year better off but made every family in Scotland £1,000 per year worse off, how would you vote?  If the reverse were presented to an MSP, they wouldn&#8217;t think twice about endorsing it because they are only interested in Scotland.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you take the West Lothian Question seriously and I&#8217;m glad that you seem to genuinely want to address it, I just wish you&#8217;d support <i>parity</i> for England instead of a constitutional bodge.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Man in a Shed</title>
		<link>http://www.thecep.org.uk/wordpress/2008/05/03/what-next-for-england/comment-page-1/#comment-558</link>
		<dc:creator>Man in a Shed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 10:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The time to influence the Conservative party is now. The danger is that the party is riding so high that it doesn&#039;t think it needs to address this issue. ( See John Redwoods blog - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/07/give-the-english-a-vote-too/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;for a call for an English vote on the Union&lt;/a&gt; ).

Ken Clarke must be stopped (as usual).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The time to influence the Conservative party is now. The danger is that the party is riding so high that it doesn&#8217;t think it needs to address this issue. ( See John Redwoods blog &#8211; <a href="http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/07/give-the-english-a-vote-too/" rel="nofollow">for a call for an English vote on the Union</a> ).</p>
<p>Ken Clarke must be stopped (as usual).</p>
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		<title>By: Dougthedug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dougthedug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 09:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may get an English Parliament sooner than you think.

Wendy Alexander, the Labour Parliamentary Group Leader in Scotland, has just called for a referendum on Scottish independence.

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2246882.0.Alexander_backs_independence_referendum_in_shock_Uturn.php
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Wendy-39Bring-it-on39.4049804.jp

We&#039;re still trying to work out whether this has been backed by Brown, (most probably as Wendy is his glove puppet in Scotland), whether the rest of the Labour party in Scotland thinks this way and how this fits in with any Labour strategies. It looks like a panic measure as SNP support grows and the implications of the debacle in the English local elections sink in.

Since Labour has always been vehemently against an independence referendum and as they&#039;ve just set up the Calman Commission with the Lib-Dems and the Conservatives to look at all aspects of improving devolution except independence we&#039;re all delighted but puzzled in the nationalist camp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may get an English Parliament sooner than you think.</p>
<p>Wendy Alexander, the Labour Parliamentary Group Leader in Scotland, has just called for a referendum on Scottish independence.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2246882.0.Alexander_backs_independence_referendum_in_shock_Uturn.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2246882.0.Alexander_backs_independence_referendum_in_shock_Uturn.php</a><br />
<a href="http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Wendy-39Bring-it-on39.4049804.jp" rel="nofollow">http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Wendy-39Bring-it-on39.4049804.jp</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;re still trying to work out whether this has been backed by Brown, (most probably as Wendy is his glove puppet in Scotland), whether the rest of the Labour party in Scotland thinks this way and how this fits in with any Labour strategies. It looks like a panic measure as SNP support grows and the implications of the debacle in the English local elections sink in.</p>
<p>Since Labour has always been vehemently against an independence referendum and as they&#8217;ve just set up the Calman Commission with the Lib-Dems and the Conservatives to look at all aspects of improving devolution except independence we&#8217;re all delighted but puzzled in the nationalist camp.</p>
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		<title>By: WessexMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>WessexMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 19:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celtic labour has been absolutly useless &amp; appalling, its getting what it deserves ! also, has shown a spitefull  Sectarianism ....re England.  
The Scots could  pull out of the olympics,they have been threatening that for sometime, your right about a backdoor-deal re independence of some-kind
There s alot of slippery Politicians around
England watch out !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celtic labour has been absolutly useless &amp; appalling, its getting what it deserves ! also, has shown a spitefull  Sectarianism &#8230;.re England.<br />
The Scots could  pull out of the olympics,they have been threatening that for sometime, your right about a backdoor-deal re independence of some-kind<br />
There s alot of slippery Politicians around<br />
England watch out !</p>
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		<title>By: britologywatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>britologywatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 15:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Cameron will win with a big majority (of seats only, but on a minority of votes in England, let alone the UK). He&#039;ll take this as a mandate to do whatever he likes, and this doesn&#039;t include addressing the English Question. The reason why the Tories aren&#039;t interested in this is indeed because they&#039;re unionist (at least, their official stance is, if not their members and voters) but also because keeping the present status quo is the only way they&#039;ll ever get the absolute power over England (let alone the rest of the UK) that Cameron will deliver for them. They know that if there were an English parliament, no nation that&#039;s worthy of the name would allow itself to be hoodwinked into accepting the present ridiculously disproportionate electoral system that turns a 36% share of the vote (for Labour UK-wide last time) into 55% of all seats! No single party would then ever be able to wield the damaging absolute control Labour and the Tories have been able to get away with for so long.

A Tory absolute majority based almost entirely on English votes would reverse the present situation where the Labour majority is bolstered by Scottish and Welsh votes. As Derek says, this would cause massive antagonism with the Scots, in particular; so that our best hope for an EP for a while would probably be a pro-independence vote in a Scottish referendum. Here&#039;s a little prediction: Cameron will do a deal to allow the Scots a referendum at some point &lt;i&gt;after the 2012 Olympics&lt;/i&gt;. He won&#039;t want to risk the UK breaking up humiliatingly just before it&#039;s due to host the biggest sporting event on earth; so the SNP will be promised a vote so long as they don&#039;t push for independence before then.

Not a good reason for voting Tory; but maybe it will be the fastest route to an EP, albeit at the cost of any continuing Union.

David, aka Britology Watch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Cameron will win with a big majority (of seats only, but on a minority of votes in England, let alone the UK). He&#8217;ll take this as a mandate to do whatever he likes, and this doesn&#8217;t include addressing the English Question. The reason why the Tories aren&#8217;t interested in this is indeed because they&#8217;re unionist (at least, their official stance is, if not their members and voters) but also because keeping the present status quo is the only way they&#8217;ll ever get the absolute power over England (let alone the rest of the UK) that Cameron will deliver for them. They know that if there were an English parliament, no nation that&#8217;s worthy of the name would allow itself to be hoodwinked into accepting the present ridiculously disproportionate electoral system that turns a 36% share of the vote (for Labour UK-wide last time) into 55% of all seats! No single party would then ever be able to wield the damaging absolute control Labour and the Tories have been able to get away with for so long.</p>
<p>A Tory absolute majority based almost entirely on English votes would reverse the present situation where the Labour majority is bolstered by Scottish and Welsh votes. As Derek says, this would cause massive antagonism with the Scots, in particular; so that our best hope for an EP for a while would probably be a pro-independence vote in a Scottish referendum. Here&#8217;s a little prediction: Cameron will do a deal to allow the Scots a referendum at some point <i>after the 2012 Olympics</i>. He won&#8217;t want to risk the UK breaking up humiliatingly just before it&#8217;s due to host the biggest sporting event on earth; so the SNP will be promised a vote so long as they don&#8217;t push for independence before then.</p>
<p>Not a good reason for voting Tory; but maybe it will be the fastest route to an EP, albeit at the cost of any continuing Union.</p>
<p>David, aka Britology Watch</p>
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		<title>By: WessexMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>WessexMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 20:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cameron.. will  be  clutching at straws, if that happens ! cant see him committing himself ,to much ,because  at the moment, He has&#039;nt any  policies  ! he needs to stop sucking his pencil ! mind you anyone,  is better than labour. Altho Cameron better not get  to carried away, cos&#039; this is not about the conservatives , that vote was against anti English Labour,certainly not for the tories. &amp; Boris johnson getting voted in, was more to do with getting rid of anti English Ken, the potential is there you see, the  People  just need to be fully aware ! of what is going on, they feel its not right, they need to uncover a few stones, open there eyes &amp; read between the lines.......&amp; in the distance beyond the  hostile barren deserts.. is a oasis ! written in the sand are the words ENGLISH PARLIAMENT........Till the Day i Die,I SAY Nothing LESS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cameron.. will  be  clutching at straws, if that happens ! cant see him committing himself ,to much ,because  at the moment, He has&#8217;nt any  policies  ! he needs to stop sucking his pencil ! mind you anyone,  is better than labour. Altho Cameron better not get  to carried away, cos&#8217; this is not about the conservatives , that vote was against anti English Labour,certainly not for the tories. &amp; Boris johnson getting voted in, was more to do with getting rid of anti English Ken, the potential is there you see, the  People  just need to be fully aware ! of what is going on, they feel its not right, they need to uncover a few stones, open there eyes &amp; read between the lines&#8230;&#8230;.&amp; in the distance beyond the  hostile barren deserts.. is a oasis ! written in the sand are the words ENGLISH PARLIAMENT&#8230;&#8230;..Till the Day i Die,I SAY Nothing LESS.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tories may well win the next general election via England. However this will not go down to well in Scotland, I suspect. The next GE is in say 2010. How will the Scottish vote at the 2011 Holyrood elections if there is a Tory Westminster government?
They may well take the plunge and put the SNP into power with a clear majority! 
Also, Alex Salmond has said that if the majority of Scottish constituency MPs returned at the next GE are SNP then he will take this as a mandate to hold a referendum. So, if that happens we could see a referendum on Scottish independence in the next 2-3 years. With a Tory Wetminster government under &#039;call me Dave&#039; Cameron many Scots may decide enough is enough and go for independence!
You&#039;ve been warned Mr Cameron. Do something about this mess or you could be PM at the end of the Union!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tories may well win the next general election via England. However this will not go down to well in Scotland, I suspect. The next GE is in say 2010. How will the Scottish vote at the 2011 Holyrood elections if there is a Tory Westminster government?<br />
They may well take the plunge and put the SNP into power with a clear majority!<br />
Also, Alex Salmond has said that if the majority of Scottish constituency MPs returned at the next GE are SNP then he will take this as a mandate to hold a referendum. So, if that happens we could see a referendum on Scottish independence in the next 2-3 years. With a Tory Wetminster government under &#8216;call me Dave&#8217; Cameron many Scots may decide enough is enough and go for independence!<br />
You&#8217;ve been warned Mr Cameron. Do something about this mess or you could be PM at the end of the Union!</p>
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